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  • DJCliffy wrote:
    Tbh i don’t like any religions. I can see what they do for some people but it really ain’t for me. As long as people are safe with each other and look after everyone then that’ll do imo.:love:

    unfortunately its a battle for power and control

    a simplistic analogy

    think of some Pakistani guys

    and some Englishmen who run seperate taxicab firms

    they initially fight over the business and there are cars burnt out, offices smashed up , drivers fighting on the streets, radio channels jammed, peoples wives and kids being stalked etc

    eventually the feds and council say “STOP IT or you will ALL lose your licenses and will go to JAIL”

    the mayor says “if you want to work in this town you will run the taxi firm together”

    initially they will discuss and argue various things – what sort of vehicles to use, shift times to cover holidays, when it is acceptable to use of Punjabi / Urdu or English on the radio network, each group will adopts its extreme position – but eventually they will come to a grudging consenus for as long as the power balance is relatively equal..

    AHC i can quote some fairly shocking extremist Catholic laws if you reall want me to, that equal that. Opus Dei, anyone?

    all i’m saying is there is different levels of following a religious code! one of my best friends is catholic yet doesnt follow sex before marriage rule and contraception and that!

    boothy wrote:
    AHC i can quote some fairly shocking extremist Catholic laws if you reall want me to, that equal that. Opus Dei, anyone?

    all i’m saying is there is different levels of following a religious code! one of my best friends is catholic yet doesnt follow sex before marriage rule and contraception and that!

    opus dei is just a catholic nazi cult which was involved in the odessa network in the late 40s early 50s. its not after getting it own laws passed in the uk in the 00s.

    me n a couple of others on here thinks your just calling white black to get an argument out of me apu….

    MrAHC wrote:
    opus dei is just a catholic nazi cult which was involved in the odessa network in the late 40s early 50s. its not after getting it own laws passed in the uk in the 00s.

    me n a couple of others on here thinks your just calling white black to get an argument out of me apu….

    OK, who’s the couple of others then? Tell them to fucking speak up if they want to talk behind my back.

    I’m not calling white black, I’m expressing my fucking opinions.

    boothy wrote:
    OK, who’s the couple of others then? Tell them to fucking speak up if they want to talk behind my back.

    I’m not calling white black, I’m expressing my fucking opinions.

    Was just descusin u on msn thats all n they was just expressin there opinions….

    this time you gone well libberal… unusual for your arguments….

    MrAHC wrote:
    Was just descusin u on msn thats all n they was just expressin there opinions….

    this time you gone well libberal… unusual for your arguments….

    I’m not defending extremism I’m just saying it’s not a case of Sharia=definitely an extremist Muslim!

    boothy wrote:
    I’m not defending extremism I’m just saying it’s not a case of Sharia=definitely an extremist Muslim!

    shira law is islamic extreamism… its a case of muslims not wanting to or not being able to live under the laws of there adopted countrys ffs.

    If you follow Sharia law strictly then arguably that is the case. But there are levels, as I said.

    boothy wrote:
    If you follow Sharia law strictly then arguably that is the case. But there are levels, as I said.

    I’m going to sece this argument as its going round in circles.

    MrAHC wrote:
    I’m going to sece this argument as its going round in circles.

    It is. Agree to disagree?

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    not wanting to or not being able to live under the laws of there adopted countrys ffs.

    unfortunately that argument can be used also against illegal raves or much of all of our lifestyles on here could be viewed as extremism (anywhere in the world!)

    • whole mobs of peopel overrulling peoples private property rights
    • noisy male-dominated gatherings which appear hostile to outsiders
    • refusing to comply with many other local laws
    • consuming, encouraging the use of and sometimes even dealing illegal substance against UN (not just British) agreements
    • on occasions using physical force to achieve our aims or supporting the use of this force – not just the gangster aspect of drugs deals but even a “nice fluffy” party on a farm or warehouse only happens because the farmer or cops aren’t strong enough to eject the mob of people

    OK no ravers have yet blown themselves up on public transport but a fair few have gone psycho on comedowns and smashed things up /set things alight…

    MrAHC wrote:
    me n a couple of others on here thinks your just calling white black to get an argument out of me apu….

    not to start again but… what’s “apu” supposed to mean?

    spark wrote:
    reason being that having moved to sweden last year… there are a lot of immiigrants from all over… some for love, husbands etc.. lots of refugees.. and sweden is having the same types of problems as the refugees wont/cant/dont integrate but take money from the system… Sweden needs to have the balls like OZ to actually say.. hey.. you come here… then you abide by our laws.

    I asked last week why (an iraqi) whos in my swedish class… why he chose sweden to come to… he sad because it was the easiest EU country to gain entry.
    So we have this problem of letting everyone in who are wanting a free ride but dont want to even integrate into the swedish culture.

    So am really interested in the link….just for personal reading really…

    before sweden joined the EU they took in many more immigrants than they are allowed to accept as an EU member.

    the number of people who were allowed to come to sweden and work facilitated economic growth and helped to support a growing elderly population in a country with relatively high emigration by young people. the enforced reduction of immigration into sweden has caused an economic downturn.

    i hope this brief history lesson helps you to integrate into the country you are living in as an immigrant

    and frankly, if you can’t understand why people are leaving Iraq, you should open a newspaper

    DJCliffy wrote:
    Ill probably be blown up or have my head cut off but i think Islam (In it’s extreme form) is the worst religion of them all. I’d have it banned if i could cos it’s such a barbaric religion and has no place in a civilised world. Now this ain’t racism before anyone starts on me. :crazy_diz

    check some history

    the muslim world was once the most advanced of any civilisation in the world, producing more philosphical, mathematical and scientific texts than modern society is even today.

    after the military might of europe trashed all that, the muslim civilisations were robbed of virtually everything, except Islam. Is it any surprise, given 500 years of military oppression from europe and now the usa, muslims are fighting back?

    look for the most brutal religious acts of war in human history and you will find they were committed in the name of christianity

    i think that if people can’t be bothered to learn the facts they shouldn’t have an opinion.

    globalloon wrote:
    before sweden joined the EU they took in many more immigrants than they are allowed to accept as an EU member.

    the number of people who were allowed to come to sweden and work facilitated economic growth and helped to support a growing elderly population in a country with relatively high emigration by young people. the enforced reduction of immigration into sweden has caused an economic downturn.

    i hope this brief history lesson helps you to integrate into the country you are living in as an immigrant

    and frankly, if you can’t understand why people are leaving Iraq, you should open a newspaper

    Of course I understand… My question to him was why choose sweden , the most expensive, hard to get a job without the speaking swedish, extreme cold climate..been snowing since oct and still going..) compared to other EU countries.. for example spain where the weather is nice etc…

    FYI for all of us immigrants here at swedish language school its one of the first questions we ask each other after, whats your name and where are you from.. then why are you here? Because everyone is here for a variety of reasons, love, family, work, asylym and refugee.

    His reply as I said was that they chose Sweden because its the easiest application and they pretty much accept everyone.

    Employment is very hard to find here.. even a qualified swede has a difficult time. So I think my question was asked in a genuine way.. I know that I have as a white westerner, and a qualified professional with a long and successful career… I have found some things extremely difficult, and without the support of my swedish partner to even do simple things like make a doctors appointment I would be fucked.

    Sweden is incredibily hard to integrate into.
    The problem with some of the larger cities now is that is is incredibily segregated.
    They are even now proposing a change if law that they can place refugees etc where there are resources to cope, for exampe the free swedish language courses that are on offer in every kommun. At the moment stockholm, and the other large cities are stretched to breaking point with available resources.

    Give me some credit. I am neither ignorant nor stupid.

    And for the record, if you go to live in another country, then yes you should abide by their laws.

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