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March 27, 2008 at 1:44 pm

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MisterDuck

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scratch a hippy find a tory

(not directed at anyone in particular)
March 27, 2008 at 1:46 pm

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General Lighting

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theres a rum old boy here with a big beard

always going on about beefing up laws, defending his “community”

says death penalty should be brought back, as well as corporal punishment, and that people should be able to take law into their own hands..

Thing is he’s white, British (I think) and a farmer in Mid Suffolk

whilst all the Muslims of East Anglia get on with their lives running restaurants and don’t bother anyone else…
March 27, 2008 at 1:51 pm

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MisterDuck

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innit GL

our local pub is tory->fascist. they did a “politically incorrect” day with people dressin up as golliwogs etc. and whilst some people in the pub are just anti-immigration, some are pure rascist “there’s no black in the union jack” etc. etc.

scum bastards, we’re gonna tag a nazi sign on one of there houses

some of the things they say about muslims though are very similair to stuff said on this thread. scratch a hippy find a.. fascist?
March 27, 2008 at 4:15 pm

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GiantMidget

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globalloon wrote:

check some history

the muslim world was once the most advanced of any civilisation in the world, producing more philosphical, mathematical and scientific texts than modern society is even today.

after the military might of europe trashed all that, the muslim civilisations were robbed of virtually everything, except Islam. Is it any surprise, given 500 years of military oppression from europe and now the usa, muslims are fighting back?

look for the most brutal religious acts of war in human history and you will find they were committed in the name of christianity

i think that if people can’t be bothered to learn the facts they shouldn’t have an opinion.

Point taken dude…….. Looking back at my post, i regret being so extreme about it. :crazy_diz
March 28, 2008 at 12:40 am

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globalloon

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spark wrote:

His reply as I said was that they chose Sweden because its the easiest application and they pretty much accept everyone.

i apologise if i went off over a misunderstanding

i thought you were criticising the bloke for choosing the country because it was the easiest to get into
March 29, 2008 at 1:38 pm

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globalloon wrote:

i apologise if i went off over a misunderstanding

i thought you were criticising the bloke for choosing the country because it was the easiest to get into

thanks for taking the time to read my reply… I guess its easy to be misunderstood… Especially as you dont know me personally and my politcal and life etc views….

I think the main point of the oz article is that as a country who takes in people from outside… (and actually an immigrant is ANYONE frome ANY other country than their host that lives in their hosts country.. not just refugees and asylum seekers…)
is that if you go to another country you should abide by the laws of that country.

I think this is completely acceptable
I would not move to the middle east and run naked through a mosque( ok not such a great example but you get the picture..)

And for countrys (like my swedish example)its becoming an issue. I also have kept up with the Uk papers while I have been gone and it looks like a major one for the Uk as well…

Basically I think people have to realise it not being racist by being proud of your own country and asserting that if you come here, then these are our laws.
When I lived in the UK- i abided by the law…( ok some grey areas (great parties by the way) hehe)
now in sweden – I abide by the law.

I also think that it is acceptable for the host country to say.. you break our laws and are convicted. Then OUT.
Its a priviledge for another country to let you in if you are not of that nationality, not a right.
March 29, 2008 at 10:58 pm

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globalloon

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spark wrote:

Basically I think people have to realise it not being racist by being proud of your own country and asserting that if you come here, then these are our laws.
When I lived in the UK- i abided by the law…( ok some grey areas (great parties by the way) hehe)
now in sweden – I abide by the law.

i don’t think there’s any debate about that. the law is the law.

the original ‘speech’ is faked, but there’s an interesting point about sharia law, which is that it is already practised is britain, legally. jews and christians can use similar systems through churches and synagogues for minor civil disputes. people of no religion can also choose to use an independent mediator for minor civil disputes rather than go to a magistrate.

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Its a priviledge for another country to let you in if you are not of that nationality, not a right.

i think there’s a whole separate debate to be had about why national borders exist

but i think doug stanhope says it better than me

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March 30, 2008 at 5:37 am

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DaftFader

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don’t wanna go to sj .. it’s a foul and dispicable place tbh :yakk::laugh_at:
March 30, 2008 at 5:38 am

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DaftFader

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globalloon wrote:

i don’t think there’s any debate about that. the law is the law.

the original ‘speech’ is faked, but there’s an interesting point about sharia law, which is that it is already practised is britain, legally. jews and christians can use similar systems through churches and synagogues for minor civil disputes. people of no religion can also choose to use an independent mediator for minor civil disputes rather than go to a magistrate.

i think there’s a whole separate debate to be had about why national borders exist

but i think doug stanhope says it better than me

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fuck i didn’t see that b4 … M8 .. that guy is a fucking legand <3 … funny as fuck:laugh_at: .. doug has some fucking funny ass ideas … and most of thye are right
March 30, 2008 at 2:45 pm

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Nice clip.

Actually my own personal view would that it would be awesome if you were allowed to move freely between countries and settle and work where you please. (from NZ)
As long as you were not taking benefits and could work and earn money to support yourself in that country then I think it would open up so many opportunties for so many people without the paperwork.
I would love to be able to work in the UK again… but I would have to pay HUGE amounts for the HSM scheme visa…

Imagine an open globe… where everything was accessible to all….

But unfortuntately the countries governments would never allow that… It’s too much of an unknown.. would everyone move to the uk where the money for working is better?

(In sweden for the same job I will take over a 50% pay cut)…..

For me I dont think it is fair for the original people (I’m going to use the Uk here as an example) say the english, to have to accomodate other peoples religions and laws just because they have decided to settle in the UK.
If you live in a country then their laws apply to you.

You know the one thing that really struck me from an outsiders point of view… was that for st patricks day london goes wild… where was st georges day? When i asked people why there was no public holiday or even a weekend of partying it seemed to me like the english were alomst ashamed to celebtrate their englishness… And even asking heaps of people I still couldnt really get a straight or common answer.
March 30, 2008 at 3:28 pm

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General Lighting

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there is already free movement to an extent across the EU

but I choose to stay in England as I was born here and its the country I feel most comfortable with (I am Asian btw)

British Asians did (and many still do) have a strong sense of pride and identity, sadly this took a hit due to a minority of angry young men taking matters into their own hands but even so its a credit to this country that despite 7/7 etc there hasn’t been a major race war even in London which did get fatally attacked..

you don’t get BT openly racially abusing a paying customer like the France Télécom customer service reps did (mind you BT is an extremely multicultural company these days)

and the bulk of British Asians do integrate into British society (for instance its often them who are trading with smaller British owned companies). Its only a small stubborn minority of extremists causing trouble in some areas, whom most don’t listen to – its just their equivalent of street gang culture..

spark wrote:

When i asked people why there was no public holiday or even a weekend of partying it seemed to me like the english were alomst ashamed to celebtrate their englishness… And even asking heaps of people I still couldnt really get a straight or common answer.

the bigger problem is that the English people often cannot (or refuse to?) agree on their own achievements – maybe they don’t like boasting, maybe its because some achievments have been lost due to their own failings (like how the motor car industry self-destructed due to the same headstrong stubborn nature of those that built it)

also when England does produce innovations (particularly in music, arts and alternative culture) it is Middle England that clamps down on it because its too “anarchic”.

Plus we are overshadowed culturally by America :hopeless:

There is an ongoing campaign for a public holiday in Autumn for Britain (I remember signing a petition about this) but when we ask for the holiday the fucking CBI or insitute of directors often whinges about “lost business” :hopeless::you_crazy
March 30, 2008 at 8:33 pm

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globalloon

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spark wrote:

For me I dont think it is fair for the original people (I’m going to use the Uk here as an example) say the english, to have to accomodate other peoples religions and laws just because they have decided to settle in the UK.

i have to pick that apart a bit

who are ‘the original people’ in england? saxons? anglo saxons? celts? romans? normans? vikings? there have been black people in britain for over 2000 years. how far back should we go to say i am ‘the original people’? surely in australia, NZ and USA the dominant culture is that of relatively recent white immigrants.

why shouldn’t a society accept other people’s religions and cultures, if those people are contributing to society? social evolution occurs by mixing ideas
March 31, 2008 at 12:17 am

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JonnyQuest

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globalloon wrote:

check some history

the muslim world was once the most advanced of any civilisation in the world, producing more philosphical, mathematical and scientific texts than modern society is even today.

after the military might of europe trashed all that, the muslim civilisations were robbed of virtually everything, except Islam. Is it any surprise, given 500 years of military oppression from europe and now the usa, muslims are fighting back?

look for the most brutal religious acts of war in human history and you will find they were committed in the name of christianity

i think that if people can’t be bothered to learn the facts they shouldn’t have an opinion.

its a differant world now mate giving terrorist the excuse of, “the christians did it to us” is jsut ridiculous
March 31, 2008 at 12:51 am

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MisterDuck

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JonnyQuest wrote:

its a differant world now mate giving terrorist the excuse of, “the christians did it to us” is jsut ridiculous

no, but muslim =/= terrorist

i think when people blame all terrorist ideals and extremists in the middle east on islam aren’t lookin at the whole picture

i mean politics and that, we’ve fucked poeple over so bad, others will know more than me but look at israel for fucks sake, was created under horrible terms and is buildin what is a horrendous and major breach of human rights prison against palestinians.

the israel stuff goes back to like 1910 though i think

sure islam is used as a front for many attacks, it may even have a major part to play, but theres plenty of politics and history too
March 31, 2008 at 1:07 am

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JonnyQuest

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boothy wrote:

no, but muslim =/= terrorist

i think when people blame all terrorist ideals and extremists in the middle east on islam aren’t lookin at the whole picture

i mean politics and that, we’ve fucked poeple over so bad, others will know more than me but look at israel for fucks sake, was created under horrible terms and is buildin what is a horrendous and major breach of human rights prison against palestinians.

the israel stuff goes back to like 1910 though i think

sure islam is used as a front for many attacks, it may even have a major part to play, but theres plenty of politics and history too

i dont disagree with terrorists being pissed off, every right to be so there political motives are ine by me, there in the right genrrally, but its when u then go and blow up innocent people who are probably on your side anyway that i lose my rag with them
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