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it really is fucked there
seriously though, if these lads (who are far from being fascists) are getting this angry it shows how things have deteriorated
I lived near where JOnnyquest is now 17 years ago and it was just starting to get bad..
actually from what i’m hearing the older “south london firms” are starting to take matters into their own hands and execute a few of the younger gang leaders
Ive never lived in London, but it does sound well dodgy obviously the news love this stuff, but it does seem to be getting more frequent…
Gang guilty of boy’s sword murder
Three teenagers have been found guilty of murdering a 14-year-old boy who was stabbed in the heart with a sword.
Paul Erhahon was stabbed in an unprovoked attack by a 17-strong gang in Leytonstone, east London, last April, jurors at the Old Bailey heard.
Two more teenagers were found guilty of his manslaughter.
Prosecutors told the Old Bailey jury that Paul was killed by young gang members who wanted to “earn their spurs” in the group.
Gang guilty of boy’s sword murder
Three teenagers have been found guilty of murdering a 14-year-old boy who was stabbed in the heart with a sword.
Paul Erhahon was stabbed in an unprovoked attack by a 17-strong gang in Leytonstone, east London, last April, jurors at the Old Bailey heard.
Two more teenagers were found guilty of his manslaughter.
Prosecutors told the Old Bailey jury that Paul was killed by young gang members who wanted to “earn their spurs” in the group.
yeah thats been on the news today … fucking shamefull :yakk:
See now this is the sort of shit that’s fucking disgraceful! Gang members wanted to earn their ‘spurs’ so attacked someone who wronged them. A poor fucker in the wrong place at the wrong time. How long can it go on for before someone realizes that something needs to be done?? The liberals will bleat on about their human rights and that bullshit but something has to change and needs to change soon.
Cunts like this need to be punished and punished very fucking severely, then it might make em think twice before committing these pointless and evil crimes!
London was was left to rot for years (particularly whilst thatcho and major were bickering over the GLC and abolishing it) – and its community of “real Londoners” (i.e working class people) was destroyed in the name of profit society is now reaping what they sowed
I’ve followed a lot of the crime reports and when the courts can actually prove premeditated murder the minimum tarrifs for gang members are very high indeed (seen 20-30 year minimum term sentences recently)
The first part of the stretch is often Feltham (highest suicide rate for YOIs)
second part (when the youth turns 21) is Wormwood Scrubs or Belmarsh
these terms have been increased loads since Blair came to power
Something is actually being done on the streets of London – its slowly but surely getting locked down and the authorities taking back control. All those cops brought in since 9/11 didn’t just evaporate into thin air as the “muslim threat” dimninishes (most of them been caught already) and more and more people who have “had enough” are even joining up as hobby bobbies!
they can put 100 cops in within seconds to stop a warehouse party, 3000 as a normal weekend patrol and 10 000 officers to police Notting Hill carnival..
Boothy went to London for (presumably) the first time as a teenager and immediately noticed a ton of metpol “serials” (riot vans) just patrolling the streets. we saw the video of 600 cops closing off a street to deal with some dodgy algerian shops selling goods what were robbed off people
And even if the courts don’t always get everybody someone else takes matters into their own hands in London, either gangs or crews avenging the death of their mates or the older people execute somebody for acting like scum (this is why people who live in the capital are more supportive of vigilanté action than many realise)
“normal” youths are getting guns and knives these days just to protect themselves.. even people my age are keeping a shooter or weapon “for insurance” or as a last resort (even if you are shot you can still kill your attacker)
The wider problem is some of these gang members don’t fear prison or even death, they have given up on life already. We are seeing the same mentality as in Al-quaeda but not just in disaffected Muslims, in normal “street youth” (I’ve even heard rudeboys chatting lyrics bigging up al-quada!)
Unchecked, I expect it will probably go as far as a 1980s style riot but along gang lines and perhaps with a few more gunshots on the part of both rioters and cops.
Then Londonistan will be locked down proper and you can kiss goodbye to its vibrant nightlife and social life (whereever the trouble happens) for a few months at least..
punishing people severely for brutal crimes is fine, but doesn’t actually act as a deterrent. as GL says, we are reaping the benefits of living in a selfish capitalist society, which is the same system as USA, where they have the same social problems
I was brought up around guns and have respect for them I was shooting an old enfield the other day. All our guns are leagle, licenced and locked away. I’m not alowed a licence anymore as I’ve got a record but can shoot when supervised by my dad who has a licence.
There are countrys with less harsh gun laws than the US like Switsland where you can still have asault rifles. Switzland has one of the worlds lowest gun crime levels in the western world yet one of the highest gun ownership per person in the world…
Its the mentality of the person who holds a gun or a knife not the actual gun or knife itself. You could kill someone with a biro if you wanted too.
Some of the suggestions about how to punish people on this thread… scratch a hippy, find a Tory, anyone?
I was gonna enquire with something related to that actually. At first it was something I found completely abnormal – I’ve seen vast amounts of cops when policing a big footy match, but not just on everyday patrol… however one thing made me wonder.
Up here cops have a dirty name. Even people who vote Tory rarely have a good word to say for them… and to be honest the majority who are lefties fucking hate them. Therefore it’s rare that someone joins up. There are very very little cops on the streets here…
I’m wondering if the opinion of police is any different down South? There seems to be much more people willing to join up if London can have so many police on a normal night…
The most logical explanation I can think of is because of the Thatcher era riots up here. Shit sticks, and so does the North’s opinion of the police after say, the miner’s strikes.
working class people down south have never been fond of the cops, particularly traditional cockneys or ethnic minorities.
But this is all very new.
Even 5-10 years ago if you went into London there wasn’t so high a Police presence. when I llived there you’d see one or two patrol cars occasionally. I think its got to the point where people have lost faith in their community to such an extent they feel the cops have to be there to keep the place safe and they don’t trust their own neighbours to behave without outside regulation.
where I live (Ipswich) the place got flooded with cops (other forces as well as locals) at the end of 2006 due to the prostitute murders investigation.
Crime plummeted as there literally was a bobby on every street corner.
Of course its not practical to have that level of resources used every weekkend but since then Suffolk constabulary have kept up the “high profile policing” in the area, as well as “eliminating problems at source” such as stopping a lot of the less controlled nightlife as it was seen as a link to the drugs/sex trade scene.
im bored of that expression now. What about batter a tory kill a hippy.
I do agree tho that the prospect of harsh punishments hardly makes a difference to people who dont care much for their own lives. Like in america with the death penalty. Im pretty sure gang members arent that bothered about the prospect of getting life in prison or death penaltys as there is a very real prospect that they could get shot on the street anyway.
I too am bored with all this Tory shit now! Y’ know who I’m gonna vote for now at the next elections?! That’s right folks The Tory’s!!!! I used to vote for the Monster raving loony party but now I’ve been shown the way!
theres not a great deal of difference – except if the MRLP get in your cats get a vote
in all seriousness though those so-called “libertarian fun loving buffoons” were ultimately exposed to be very right wing in their outlook (the monster raving loony party, not Cameron and Johnson)
fuck the torys. fuck voteing.
gang initiation boothy, some 16 year old guy stabs your brother through the heart , he dies in hospital the same night, and you would still want to keep up your campaign of talkign to him to sort out his problems with his parents?
boothy come down and hang out round burmondsey or somwhere at night wait till someone pulls a knife/gun on you robs you and then possibly still stabs you anyway, then come find me n tell me you think that the guy should get counseling and not go to prison because he can be changed
that is an accurate description of that area
And I know from personal experience it has deteriorated loads since 1990-1992 – I could walk from Elephant to New Cross pissed out of my skull and not get excessive hassle no fucking way would I do that now
could go to Romford to buy tunes without being robbed
There are already running battles in the streets and on public transport.
Lads like Jonnyquest and Daftfader live in a constant state of anger and paranoia if not fear.
Even today I go into “Londonistan” mode if I go back to the capital the moment Liverpool St train approaches South Essex.. don’t talk to strangers, don’t draw attention to yourself, beware of pickpockets etc
there might be a bit more what could be done for younger kids (age 10 upwards) to stop them going down bad routes in life but I think once they have made that choice prison or YOI must be there and also every one of them must be interviewed regularly and monitored by psychologists, to make them discuss WHY they did it (as many just do their time in silence without remorse)
and not all of them have bad backgrounds or family problems either
some people just have criminal or psycopathic tendencies..
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