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April 10, 2008 at 4:15 pm

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Joker78

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MrAHC wrote:

fuck the torys. fuck voteing.

Fuck the Tories and Labour.

But do turn up at your polling station and spoil the ballot paper, tick all or none and comment that you have no confidence in ‘fake’ democracy. If a million people did this the message would be deafening.
April 10, 2008 at 4:18 pm

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GiantMidget

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General Lighting wrote:

some people just have criminal or psycopathic tendencies..

And there the ones that need locking down! Fuck Liberalism!!!
April 10, 2008 at 4:19 pm

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GiantMidget

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JulesDogg wrote:

Fuck the Tories and Labour.

But do turn up at your polling station and spoil the ballot paper, tick all or none and comment that you have no confidence in ‘fake’ democracy. If a million people did this the message would be deafening.

Yeah mate i actually do that! I write CUNTS on it and little arrows pointing to each party! I shall carry on this noble tradition! :weee:
April 10, 2008 at 4:23 pm

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DaftFader

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General Lighting wrote:

that is an accurate description of that area

And I know from personal experience it has deteriorated loads since 1990-1992 – I could walk from Elephant to New Cross pissed out of my skull and not get excessive hassle no fucking way would I do that now

could go to Romford to buy tunes without being robbed

There are already running battles in the streets and on public transport.

Lads like Jonnyquest and Daftfader live in a constant state of anger and paranoia if not fear.

Even today I go into “Londonistan” mode if I go back to the capital the moment Liverpool St train approaches South Essex.. don’t talk to strangers, don’t draw attention to yourself, beware of pickpockets etc

there might be a bit more what could be done for younger kids (age 10 upwards) to stop them going down bad routes in life but I think once they have made that choice prison or YOI must be there and also every one of them must be interviewed regularly and monitored by psychologists, to make them discuss WHY they did it (as many just do their time in silence without remorse)

and not all of them have bad backgrounds or family problems either

some people just have criminal or psycopathic tendencies..

yeah anger, paranoia .. even fear some times .. need to get away from this area m8 …. when your best m8 gets stabbed 5 minits from your door step and every single one of your friends has been robbed at least once … it’s hard not to take it personaly .. and for me i have had my fair share of shit my self in london on many ocations … the big majority of the time caused by other people eg. muggings, attacks random and other wise … with shit like that happening all the time around you it’s hard for it not to effect you in a detrimental way … and alot of resentment is felt for the people who do it .. if it was a once off .. you could probably let it go .. but when you see/hear shit like this happening so close to your door step all the time .. it’s hard not to let it make you bitter
April 10, 2008 at 4:33 pm

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General Lighting

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DaftFader wrote:

… and alot of resentment is felt for the people who do it .. if it was a once off .. you could probably let it go .. but when you see/hear shit like this happening so close to your door step all the time .. it’s hard not to let it make you bitter

even in the 90s it was starting to get bad

There have been times when I would have felt safer with a gun or at least able to avenge someone who attacked me – and a lot of gangs are formed by youths “just defending their ends”

“liberal” government is a false freedom, all it actually means that all that matters is private business and capitalism (when instead we should have social democracy where taxes are used to help people gain a start in society)

the harsh facts are that the rest of society doesn’t care (apart from when the gangs turn on older people with jobs/houses who dare to stand up to them)

we don’t have as many arranged marriages [1] or as much taboos about relationships as in foreign countries and you see girls allowed to pop out 6 kids by 6 different dads (all of whom have fucked off) when they are 19

We think its “freedom” but that is because especially since thatcho got in our society expects a lot of surplus children (only takes a few seconds to make one and 9 months for one to be born) –

Those in charge don’t care if a few die as they can get the work done by the others who do comply or either in other countries/by immigrants

[1] apart from the Royal Family and the other upper class toffs.
April 10, 2008 at 4:35 pm

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process

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MrAHC wrote:

fuck the torys. fuck voteing.

exactly! ive never voted and i dont think i ever will. Ive got loads of stick off people for this over the years, but it is all just a popularity/slagging contest at the end of the day. Ive thought about voting for the green party, but could they run a country? could they fuck. also they all lie to get into power then pretty much do what the fuck they want when they get in. Dont get me wrong i dont like labour, but i dont really 100% believe or like any of the other parties and why should i vote for something that i dont 100% believe in. Also in i think the last election wasnt it something like 50% of the population didnt vote, that at least sends a clear message to all the parties that they are all doing something wrong!

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April 10, 2008 at 4:37 pm

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General Lighting

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20 years ago all across Europe people voted away their democracy…

even during the dark days of the Cold War we didn’t live in dictatorships

but people made a free choice that all they cared about was the consumer society (maybe with some token concessions to the concept of public sector services such as free at source healthcare) so there is really just a centrist one party state in most EU nations
April 10, 2008 at 4:46 pm

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process

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DaftFader wrote:

yeah anger, paranoia .. even fear some times .. need to get away from this area m8 …. when your best m8 gets stabbed 5 minits from your door step and every single one of your friends has been robbed at least once … it’s hard not to take it personaly .. and for me i have had my fair share of shit my self in london on many ocations … the big majority of the time caused by other people eg. muggings, attacks random and other wise … with shit like that happening all the time around you it’s hard for it not to effect you in a detrimental way … and alot of resentment is felt for the people who do it .. if it was a once off .. you could probably let it go .. but when you see/hear shit like this happening so close to your door step all the time .. it’s hard not to let it make you bitter

same as,
when i used to live in Birmingham. used to fuck me right off all the stupid gang shit that went on down at this club i used to go to in digbeth. so many fucked up things. someone let of a CS cannister at the back of this one club, another time someone pulled a machete and started waving it around at the bar and another time someone jumped over the bar and started waving a fucking pistol around! :you_crazy
Didnt go back down there for a while. Just remembered another incident at this other club, these 2 lads had tried to get in the fire exit of this one club in the chinese quarter, the bouncers saw them and told em to fuck off. Hour later same 2 guys come back and do a drive by on the door with a fucking uzi! one of the bouncers was killed. fucking wrong.:you_crazy
April 10, 2008 at 4:52 pm

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GiantMidget

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This country has just gone to shit, it really has! Any solutions on how to better it?
April 10, 2008 at 4:57 pm

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DaftFader

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DJCliffy wrote:

This country has just gone to shit, it really has! Any solutions on how to better it?

move to spain 😉
April 10, 2008 at 5:00 pm

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GiantMidget

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DaftFader wrote:

move to spain 😉

Or do what i’m doing and join the Navy! How about it Daft, fancy it? :weee:
April 10, 2008 at 5:01 pm

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MisterDuck

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JonnyQuest wrote:

gang initiation boothy, some 16 year old guy stabs your brother through the heart , he dies in hospital the same night, and you would still want to keep up your campaign of talkign to him to sort out his problems with his parents?

you are putting words in my mouth

when did i say i’d sort out his problems through talking with his parents? that was on a completely different and much more minor issue

of course he should be punished, thats what prison is for

forgive me for thinking physical punishment and the death sentence is morally wrong.
April 10, 2008 at 5:03 pm

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MisterDuck

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JonnyQuest wrote:

boothy come down and hang out round burmondsey or somwhere at night wait till someone pulls a knife/gun on you robs you and then possibly still stabs you anyway, then come find me n tell me you think that the guy should get counseling and not go to prison because he can be changed

where the fuck did i say that a person who stabs someone shouldn’t go prison?

death sentence is different to prison

and there are bare places up here where people will be just as likely to do something like that. lets see, bransome, chapletown, mosside?
April 10, 2008 at 5:04 pm

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General Lighting

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DJCliffy wrote:

This country has just gone to shit, it really has!

its not that much worse than many other nations and still better than many

had a look at the Malaysian news today and there was a armed robbery but because everyone has guns (rentaguards, cops) theres more carnage – Robbers discharged 40 rounds, shot into the legs of the guards (and a few bystanders struck as well) looks like they will be in wheelchairs for life Despite armed police firing back they got away with $1.5 million Singapore dollars (just over half a million quid)

Malaysia’s government system is identical to Britains but more authoritarian and religious-based.

on the French news there were loads of violent football hooligans arrested, also a report on how there is 50% infant mortality rate in some poorer areas (particularly gypsy/traveller communities) and thats the nationals (most crime is reported in local newspapers)

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Any solutions on how to better it?

the only real solution is to reduce the inequality in places like London.

Where you have youths growing up in tower blocks next to businessmen driving Ferraris who don’t pay tax and outsource their work to foreign lands things are bound to kick off (actually the gangs did actually first start mugging all the toffs about 10 years ago but all that happned was the richer people stopped going out on the street and locked themselves into gated communities).
April 10, 2008 at 5:18 pm

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DaftFader

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DJCliffy wrote:

Or do what i’m doing and join the Navy! How about it Daft, fancy it? :weee:

na i’ll pass tnx m8 :laugh_at:
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