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June 1, 2007 at 9:00 am

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General Lighting

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Kerrse wrote:

I honestly despair at the youth of today makes me glad I don’t have children

:crazy:

TBH the level of incidents boothy mentioned is no worse than we grew up… at least going by the standards of Reading in the mid 1980s..

when i was about 14 or so one of the lads in our year got stabbed – not inside the school but outside though, he got into an argument with some older guys and may have been getting the better of one of them so he just stabbed him..

like I said in another thread all that has happened is we have lost the last 20 years of social progress as the competition caused by a capitalist society becomes more ruthless… this means we could go back to better times but need some way of putting more hope and optimism into younger peoples lives…
June 1, 2007 at 9:07 am

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I went to a few different problems never came acrosss the problem but i suppose thats just down to where i have lived an gone to school.

When i was at school it was just fist fights there wasn’t gangs as such maybe i was just lucky i went to schools that wouldn’t tolerate this kind of thing.
June 1, 2007 at 9:20 am

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Kerrse wrote:

I went to a few different problems never came acrosss the problem but i suppose thats just down to where i have lived an gone to school.

When i was at school it was just fist fights there wasn’t gangs as such maybe i was just lucky i went to schools that wouldn’t tolerate this kind of thing.

I think its also that in our day no one (other than people who TBH belonged in broadmoor) really wanted to kill their enemy, nor sit staring at four walls in HMP for years..

I do think those times were a bit more optimistic compared to today.

remember that when we left high school
- the Soviet Union was in the process of being freed,
- Europeans and other “foreigners” were seen as “liberated comrades” rather than competing for our jobs
- jobs for youths were plentiful even if you didn’t have loads of qualifications…
- Thatcho was losing her grip on power slowly..
- The acid house/rave scene was just starting
- Good drugs were becoming easier to get yet there was less bingeing due to higher prices..
- Technology was becoming affordable..
Now youths feel they are growing up in a controlled state without hope, and that is being reflected in the greater anger they feel..
June 1, 2007 at 9:34 am

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Kerrse

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I don’t know if you can blame everything on the state if i am honest i think parents have a lot to answer for as well. To me it just seems to me that kids just don’t seem to be getting taught basic morals or general life sense. Don’t get me wrong i realise you can’t blame it soley on the parents, but their are the main influence on their kids as they are growing up so they have to hold some responsibilty for whats going on.

Maybe your right maybe they are just angry and we were lucky as we grew up in a different Britain. I think people are all to quick to blame the government for everything that goes wrong i don’t agree with a lot of stuff they have done but i don’t think you can blame them for the way people bring their own kids up.
June 1, 2007 at 1:47 pm

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MisterDuck

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General Lighting wrote:

TBH the level of incidents boothy mentioned is no worse than we grew up… at least going by the standards of Reading in the mid 1980s..

i spoke to me dad about this (me n him always have conversations about politics n music late at nite… he’s 52 and still reckons he can out-drink me :laugh_at:) and he’s really liberal, about the same as me really.

from what he said, there has been a knife problem back in the 50’s, and in the 70’s it really got bad… so it’s nothin new, its just media-hyped nowadays…
June 1, 2007 at 1:52 pm

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MisterDuck

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General Lighting wrote:
the Soviet Union was in the process of being freed,

Europeans and other “foreigners” were seen as “liberated comrades” rather than competing for our jobs

jobs for youths were plentiful even if you didn’t have loads of qualifications…

Thatcho was losing her grip on power slowly..

The acid house/rave scene was just starting

Good drugs were becoming easier to get yet there was less bingeing due to higher prices..

Technology was becoming affordable..
dammit, you’re makin me jealous :groucho:
June 1, 2007 at 2:23 pm

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boothy wrote:

dammit, you’re makin me jealous :groucho:

mind you you couldn’t afford a rig though at age 16-18 that easily (back then most rig owners were in their late 20s-30s), nor computers that could easily do music or video (they were around but cost tens of thousands) although they were capable of doing flyers..

until 1994 when you wanted to get on the Internet (which you just about could in 1991/2) you needed to go to college or uni and use a computer terminal that looked like this…

But there seemed to be a bit less worries/concerns when I was your sort of age – and more comradeship/community type ethos (actually if you got this back you could IMO go back to the good old days but keep all our science/technology advances..)
June 1, 2007 at 2:28 pm

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Peas69

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There taking away rights!! the government is taking liberties… its taking away privacy by searching bags.
I don’t think they should be aloud to do it without proof
June 1, 2007 at 2:32 pm

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MisterDuck

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another concern… these searches are supposed to search for knives, that can actually harm people… but if someone was searched and had 1/8th on them (very likely in a secondary school!) then they are gunna get fucked for that, even though it is illegal, its not half as dangerous as a knive :you_crazy
June 1, 2007 at 9:12 pm

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Kerrse

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boothy wrote:

another concern… these searches are supposed to search for knives, that can actually harm people… but if someone was searched and had 1/8th on them (very likely in a secondary school!) then they are gunna get fucked for that, even though it is illegal, its not half as dangerous as a knive :you_crazy

Maybe thats a good reason to be seraching as well drugs an education arent exactly a good mix. On top of that if your stupid enough to take drugs to school then you deserve to get fucked.

Makes me laugh when people are outraged about a school wanting to do searches why the fuck shouldn’t they !

1. You shouldnt be carrying weapons
2. You shouldnt be carrying drugs
3. What could you possibly have to hide bar school books !

:you_crazy
June 2, 2007 at 1:49 am

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MisterDuck

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drugs and education maybe isn’t a good mix. but it happens, and searches for drugs is ridiculous. do drugs in school harm anyone but the user?

again, essentially you are using the argument “if you have done nothin wrong, you have nothin to hide”

first off, who decides what is wrong? i smoked weed (and occasionaly took other things) in school often a year ago. i didnt harm anyone, it might have meant i didnt learn as well, but thats my responsibility.

would you be happy for the government to put a camera in your living room? “well, if you’ve got nothing to hide…”

its guilty until proven innocent really innit…
June 2, 2007 at 7:11 am

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noname

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Kerrse wrote:

Maybe thats a good reason to be seraching as well drugs an education arent exactly a good mix. On top of that if your stupid enough to take drugs to school then you deserve to get fucked.

Makes me laugh when people are outraged about a school wanting to do searches why the fuck shouldn’t they !

1. You shouldnt be carrying weapons
2. You shouldnt be carrying drugs
3. What could you possibly have to hide bar school books !

:you_crazy

I took drugs to school (back in the late 80’s), and I don’t think I deserved to get fucked (I’m not terribly stupid either, and did manage to get a decent level of education).

Question is, do you also think this argument should apply to the rest of society (as with the new stop and search powers in the name of anti terrorism)?

How many of our basic human rights is it OK to ignore in the interests of making people “safe”?

The “if you’ve done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear” attitude that so many of our politicians bandy around regularly these days has historically been used a number of times (most notably in 1930’s Germany, and again in the 1950’s USSR). Only in the most brutal and oppressive regimes is fear allowed to dominate and dictate social policy, because fear is as negative and damaging an emotion as rage.

The world is full of dangers, but that is no reason to lock yourself in a foot thick metal box just in case – nor should it be a reason to distrust and fear every other person. If we create a world like that, then we have only ourselves to blame when it lives up to our worst fears….:you_crazy

It’s true that kids shouldn’t be carrying knives to school, but instead of finding ways to discover if they’re breaking the rules, shouldn’t we be finding ways to get them to understand why it’s a bad idea so they can choose for themselves?
June 2, 2007 at 11:39 am

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boothy wrote:

again, essentially you are using the argument “if you have done nothin wrong, you have nothin to hide”

first off, who decides what is wrong? i smoked weed (and occasionaly took other things) in school often a year ago. i didnt harm anyone, it might have meant i didnt learn as well, but thats my responsibility.

I was gonna say this before too Boothy, when i was a kid i got questioned buy the MOD Police for a massive list of offenses that had been committed on the camps. Well i was me and my mate…. what we did wasn’t wrong. Looking back i still dont think it was.. 😉
June 2, 2007 at 12:11 pm

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Kerrse wrote:

Maybe thats a good reason to be seraching as well drugs an education arent exactly a good mix.

OK at our age we all realise that now, but seriously did you never take any drugs in high school? I can see the argument that it reduces peoples “potential” insofar as exam results are concerned, but do you accept a society merely producing youths to be a marketable commodity to compete with those in other nations, rather than humans with their own free choice?

it might all seem like a “robust solution” but youths have their own free will and free choice.

If they find the régime in their high school to be overly oppressive, many will simply vote with their feet and not attend at all, and truancy will go through the roof.

It might even have a “short term” effect of better league table results as the “naughtier” youths drop out altogether rather than fail their exams whilst others are cowed into studying harder merely out of paranoia, but its merely pushing problems out of school back into wider society..
June 4, 2007 at 8:23 am

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globalloon

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cezar wrote:

P.S. I think everybody should carry knives in schools.

why would you think that? :you_crazy
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