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“Back to the days of mass raves now, they’ve tried and won, and we’re now screwed”
not naming any names but ive already heard of another 4 raves (yes, FOUR) that will be happening very soon an look like they will be quite big. 2 of which are happening on the same night in the same area. seems people have realised the police are becoming more tollerant. i just hope people dont take the piss
@smokeitup 404545 wrote:
“Back to the days of mass raves now, they’ve tried and won, and we’re now screwed”
not naming any names but ive already heard of another 4 raves (yes, FOUR) that will be happening very soon an look like they will be quite big. 2 of which are happening on the same night in the same area. seems people have realised the police are becoming more tollerant. i just hope people dont take the piss
thats exactly what happened in East Anglia in 2004/5 when the cops didn’t go in heavy, people did take the piss and the cops diverted some of the budget against Islamic terrorism to dealing with raves instead – and won! (EA actually has a fair few Muslims but outside Luton they don’t do shit like terrorism). Might be a bit more difficult in “Londonistan” but Tory governments have a habit of finding more money for cops from somewhere…
all that said I don’t think the cops are the real problem with large illegal raves. What will happen when they become popular is wannabe gangsters / bullies of various kinds will want to take over again and worse shit will happen. Even East Anglia (which had one of the most friendly scenes) was starting to suffer from this.
Yh tbh i think people will take the piss, would be a real shame if the police are forced to start going in stupidly heavy handed.
@`Matt 404547 wrote:
Yh tbh i think people will take the piss, would be a real shame if the police are forced to start going in stupidly heavy handed.
mate they already have been doing so round here (East anglian youth are more stubborn than Londoners!) – metpol are even working with Eastern forces about how to deal with large stubborn crowds. I know for a fact (friend of mine got told this by a cop) that Suffolk train every weekend in summer to stop a rave and even to clear out a pub/hall party, they use the confiscated stacks/equipment and a dummy figure to represent the DJ!
another issue is that if all them old cops do hand in their “level 2” ticket (what means they are trained to use riot gear) they will just get made redundant in the budget cuts and will be replaced by cheaper younger recruits, hobby bobbies , smart ambitious young cops etc and these young’uns will have more of a chip on their shoulder. During the last recession a lot of pissed off IT workers actually joined the Old Bill, they did try budget cuts but 9/11 and 7/7 happened so more cops were required…
I went to this, luckily it took us ages to get our arse’s into gear therefore arrived after all the trouble. Was a good party though and everyone seemed friendly enough. Obviously people claimed the police started it, was probably a bit of both sides. .
@Dj Owlz 404550 wrote:
I went to this, luckily it took us ages to get our arse’s into gear therefore arrived after all the trouble. Was a good party though and everyone seemed friendly enough. Obviously people claimed the police started it, was probably a bit of both sides. .
can’t really expect cops to ignore people blatantly breaking into a building, though the tactics don’t make sense – the options were either go in proper hard and crack heads like the old days (and risk more injuries and reprisal incidents leading to 1980s style disorder) or to just keep watch for surveillance / evidence gathering (more sensible!)
Instead the Met did things by halves, spent a fuckload of public money, put both their own officers and the ravers at danger, and stopped up the traffic in London for fuck all..
also where did all the thieves/muggers/bullies/vandals go this time, especially as there weren’t any security checks? if they didn’t do any other crime because they’d exhausted their anger fighting the cops, that bodes ill for the next time if the cops don’t bother turning up….
hmm – another thing was that this weekend just gone was Ipswich v Millwall so a fair few of the Met’s specialist officers for TSG (the ones who plan tactics and strategy as opposed to just providing muscle) were probably up here and would have had to stay here until the evening… Ipswich won 2-0 and the town’s still in one piece, there’s even still glass in the windows of houses/businesses down Portman Road…
@General Lighting 404507 wrote:
I can understand why a 16 year old lad who has spent days looking forward to this rave and a fair bit of cash/time on transport etc would get angry enough to take on the cops – and people (both young and older) thought the same round my way… but the eventual result was two of my mates (who have never done violent crime in their lives) went to prison, and they lost fuckloads of sound equipment..they’ve tried be brave about it but I can tell its damaged them emotionally, particularly the younger of the two who went to YOI.
All that then happens is the authorities spend our tax money on more cops and surveillance not just to stop parties but to stop people getting their party drugs as well, and quite often they “win” – at least to the extent that the only drugs you can find easily are bad shit like heroin and crack because only them dealers will take the risks. its like that now in my town and in a lot of East Anglia and we used to have one of the best party scenes in England.
the real reason you can’t find any raves “back home” is because your parents/my generation did stupid things like trying to fight the Police so they could have raves – either by riots or by being blatant about selling and living off drugs.
And now the government are all my age and some of them used to rave but got scared off by seeing their mates fuck up on drugs etc.
Try and learn from our generations mistakes if you want parties to continue..
Your obviously an experienced raver mate and know what your talking about my logic was more damage(to the police never touched any of the public’s cars like some dick heads) = they will just allow it to happen next time.
And it wernt a matter of if they where going to let us in it was when tbh, as it was blocking public transport putting the public in danger etc…
You seem to have the same views on this as my dad he knew i was going to a party that night read about it in the paper the next day and said what you said, they’ll just come in heavier next time and that. (he was a partyhead himself 20 years ago).
@General Lighting 404510 wrote:
In December 2006 when the prositutes got murdered in my town, Merseyside lent 10 CCTV cars (and cops to drive and operate them) to Suffolk.
I joked with some of my friends who are from Liverpool and the North about this, saying “surely everything in Liverpool what isn’t nailed down is getting robbed, now all your cops and surveillance kit is down here?
they said “nah, the cops still have loads left over, they’ve got at least 30 of these surveillance vehicles” (I also saw cops saying the same on Traffic Wars and other similar crime shows)..
Apparently this all dates back from the 1980s and 1990s when people in Liverpool had riots and all sorts and crime families basically ran some estates and no one bothered for shit with things like driving licenses, MOT etc (or even owning their own cars)
OK again I know thats verging on comedy stereotypes, not all of Merseyside is like that and the same shit happens in London or Essex and the North got fucked over by Thatcho but just living by crime/dealing/scally behaviour ain’t sustainable, and all the money for them cars could have been spent on young georges education and leisure instead – but when you keep trying to overtly “fight the power” they just fight back harder and smarter…
Police have liverpool on lockdown now with anything to do with the roads cant go 5 mins without passing on of them roadside checker’s.
As for estates and that it stills goes on but to a lower extent and alot more underground.
I think everywhere in the uk is the same now though isnt it ?
Isnt half as rough as it used to be up here tbh (wich is a good thing of course)
@smokeitup 404545 wrote:
“Back to the days of mass raves now, they’ve tried and won, and we’re now screwed”
not naming any names but ive already heard of another 4 raves (yes, FOUR) that will be happening very soon an look like they will be quite big. 2 of which are happening on the same night in the same area. seems people have realised the police are becoming more tollerant. i just hope people dont take the piss
Well isnt that what we want ?
@scouse_raver_georg 404563 wrote:
Well isnt that what we want ?
…dont wanna ruin a good thing. police wont be tollerant forever
@scouse_raver_georg 404563 wrote:
Your obviously an experienced raver mate and know what your talking about my logic was more damage(to the police never touched any of the public’s cars like some dick heads) = they will just allow it to happen next time.
someone tried that in my region in 2007 and instead it went to full zero tolerance and peoples rigs being confiscated. it needs the public support for the cops to calm down and ravers don’t have that at the moment.
Police have liverpool on lockdown now with anything to do with the roads cant go 5 mins without passing on of them roadside checker’s.
As for estates and that it stills goes on but to a lower extent and alot more underground.
I think everywhere in the uk is the same now though isnt it ?
Isnt half as rough as it used to be up here tbh (wich is a good thing of course)
nah, Suffolk only have about 3 CCTV cars (hence why they had to borrow Merseysides). There is very little crime round here compared to London or Liverpool but that also means cops watch raves more because they believe drugs culture leads to other crime. A lot of cops here are ex-GMP/ Merseyside / Metpol and come here because they want to stop this area becoming like the cities. Look at it this way – Millwall at an away match and not a window broken in Ipswich – the cops here must be doing something right!
but if other people what don’t go to raves think the cops are being dictated to by criminals they are only going to complain the cops aren’t powerful enough and make them go in harder.
OK the cops didn’t help matters – maybe they should have left the rave alone especially if their top strategists were on footy duties – but if the rave hadn’t got into every paper (including foreign ones!) it would actually be more likely subsequent ones are left alone than now…
@smokeitup 404565 wrote:
…dont wanna ruin a good thing. police wont be tollerant forever
exactly. London cops were being more tolerant before all this bullshit happened as there have always been London parties in winter even when eveywhere else was on zero tolerance, its just that they got had issues due to the violent scum what preyed on people to rob them etc..
if cops don’t stop a party is not because they think “ooh, raves aren’t that bad” and start wondering if they can get hardstyle mp3 ringtones for their Airwave radios”. Its done due to other priorities/lack of resources – the same as when a old granny gets kids winding her up or has some property nicked and the Police can’t attend immediately and she has to wait a few days…
to clear the building would have required them to call for backup from Essex, Surpol and TVP (the three adjacent forces) and probably taken most of the day and night, cost a fuckload more public money, filled up most of the London hospitals with casualties and led to reprisal disturbances across SE England. Not worth it at all for a load of youths in a old Post Office building unlike outdoor raves which are often held on actual family farms still in use and/or often owned by vulnerable old people what feel bullied and intimidated. Or provincial industrial buildings where the owners are going to use them and can’t afford to have them smashed up.
I expect the cops will start using “smart intelligence” again and using facebook etc to track people and visit them at home like they did in the 90s (of course not with facebook, just by old style surveillance then, but those old detective tactics haven’t been forgotten about).
to be honest im actually yet to go to a london party and it be shut down by the police.. but i think thats coz i tend to go to more ‘underground’ squat parties that arnt as big and well hidden with absolutly no violence or problems at all. still cant resist a bigger party tho. but only on special occasions
@smokeitup 404581 wrote:
to be honest im actually yet to go to a london party and it be shut down by the police
went to one what had to relocate into Thames Valley area but that was because they had used a newish building (which really shouldn’t have been used) and the met weren’t letting that place get trashed…
Only just seen this but it’s worth pointing out that scouse_raver_george was also giving out the partyline for Scumoween on Youtube under the 23teknivals video that was posted here, which doesn’t seem like a bright idea.
@Moonie 404663 wrote:
Only just seen this but it’s worth pointing out that scouse_raver_george was also giving out the partyline for Scumoween on Youtube under the 23teknivals video that was posted here, which doesn’t seem like a bright idea.
to be fair it was also posted all over facebook for a week before, it was sprayed on a wall in Islington, you can’t exactly blame the lad when he hasn’t been set a good example in the first place..
the bigger picture looks bleaker still – I was trying to work out myself why the frontline officers were even instructed by the senior cops to carry out a fools’ mission of trying to stop the rave as they don’t normally fight to lose, but one reason may well have been that building wasn’t just totally lunched out and disused!
it was owned by well off types linked to the music/entertainment industry who paid full market price for it from the Royal Mail – they then rent it out for stuff like fashion shows etc having gone through the proper channels with regard to licensing, health and safety, paying taxes etc..
Yes the building owners probably were even more of a bunch of posh tarquins and hipsters than some of the kids what go to London raves these days but that doesn’t give the right for anyone to rob and trash their property and when people call the police to report property crime they normally expect some attempt to address it…
and ironically its these Nathan Barley meedja types who claim to be liberal and yet are first to grass up anything they disagree with and expect the authorities to sort it out, yet don’t want “too much violence”
BTW I rode down Portman Road last night (its my usual route home) and the place was as spotless and pristine as the former red light district get – it looks even worse in wider society that a load of hairy arsed footy hooligans managed to play nice and pay their way last weekend whilst so-called “peaceful hippy” ravers decided to fight the OB :you_crazy
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