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  • Digital-A wrote:
    long live smoking in pubs and clubs … it will be sorely missed

    *salutes and fires round from carbine rifle* :obey:

    but at least you will be able to pop out for a fag wrist bands or stamps ahoy! so can get outside for some air, also it is socialbe standing out side having a natter!

    I do think lots of people will still try their luck with the smoking!

    agree with it or not, there were a lot of other less draconian measures that could have been taken….

    I dont know how they get around the health legistaltion, but our darling MPs can all still smoke in the parliament bars (as they sip their tax free whisky)

    Everyone gets caught in the debate about smoking, and misses the fact that its a question of liberties…. smokers should have the liberty to smoke, and non-smokers the liberty not to breathe it in – and this could have been achieved if the will – or rather the RESPECT for people’s choices was there…..there were numerous options such as members clubs, smoking areas, air conditioning etc etc….. but respect for liberty is not part of our political masters’ vocabulary.

    All the non-smokers feeling smug, watch out, theyre after banning loud car stereos next.

    Tekhan wrote:
    All the non-smokers feeling smug, watch out, theyre after banning loud car stereos next.

    unfortunately I fear the sort of people who supoprt the smoking ban also would support further clampdowns on loud music (its already an offence to keep playing loud car stereos in the same area for which you might even get your car confiscated!)

    There is a real and worrying shift back to puritanism in this country compared to the 90s when it was amazing what you could get away with, despite both the last governments not exactly being liberal.

    We blame the politicians but TBH I think a lot of people are to blame as well – there are too many about who think there is “too much” freedom and are willing to give it up if we can “compete with other countries”….

    General Lighting wrote:
    unfortunately I fear the sort of people who supoprt the smoking ban

    hey i support the smoking ban, even tho i do smoke a little, mainly in principle, and also when i didnt used to smoke i supported it, and i definantly dont think ppl should stop playing music loud,

    Playground Politics wrote:
    hey i support the smoking ban, even tho i do smoke a little, mainly in principle, and also when i didnt used to smoke i supported it, and i definantly dont think ppl should stop playing music loud,

    I also moved from a regular smoker (who started in 1988) to someone who only smokes occasionally/ socially and I know that as I get older I should give it up for good (my dad suffered from bad health (and eventually terminal illness) in part due to smoking).

    the problem is though that by supporting the smoking ban it is essentially admitting that people cannot control ourselves until the govt bans their activity to change their behaviour – its a victory in an ashtray for the nanny state.

    plus (as mentioned in the other thread) it would create lots more jobs for council officials who could then be used to check up on more stuff like licensing violations, enforcing noise levels and music curfews etc…

    If you wish to quit smoking then do so yourself, don’t let the govt feel that they need to enforce bans to make you do so.

    TBH its not so much the ban itself which is the danger but the way it could be hijacked by many who disagree with the late night economy and would rather it never existed (like back in the 80s when everything shut at midnight).

    We are already seeing venues close for other reasons (such as worries over binge drinking and drugs) and this ban could be another threat to late night fun.

    General Lighting wrote:
    the problem is though that by supporting the smoking ban it is essentially admitting that people cannot control ourselves until the govt bans their activity to change their behaviour – its a victory in an ashtray for the nanny state.

    plus (as mentioned in the other thread) it would create lots more jobs for council officials who could then be used to check up on more stuff like licensing violations, enforcing noise levels and music curfews etc…

    If you wish to quit smoking then do so yourself, don’t let the govt feel that they need to enforce bans to make you do so.

    Hear Hear, my point exactly! its the fact of a BAN – another criminalisation we can add to all the others – and another excuse to impose fines to top up GVT coffers……when it would have been quite possible to have smoking areas, or membership only smoking clubs, or any number of other options that would have respected the choices & liberties of BOTH smokers and Non-smokers!

    The bans already started in Wales…

    I understand why a lot of peeps want the ban to help them give up smoking BUT you still have to do it urself.

    I’ve smoked for 18yrs, an loved it.

    one day i was thinking/resenting the bastards who r gonna ban smoking, they’re gonna make me stop!!!!! but then thought hang on a mo who is it that’s making me smoke?

    an i had a vision of this fat-cat-smug-american-tobacco-company-owning-condescending-wanker, leering down at me saying

    hello stupid little girl, give me your money an i’ll give you cancer ! ! ! ! ! !

    Dunno why or where that came from ! ! but i havent had a fag since, its been 7 months ! ! i cannae believe it ! !

    I still consider myself a smoker on the inside, none of the reasons i started smoking have changed, attitude towards authority, independant-minded-bloody-stupidity etc

    Every time i want a fag i see that wanker in my head an choose not to.

    I have no problem with people who smoke, loads of my mates do and its no bother to be around them, me not smoking has caused a bit of piss-taking and some congratulations but no diff really.

    I guess the ban will help people give up BUT its about self-responsibilty, the more we give it up the more in control big brother will decide it needs to be ad infinitum.

    If Govmt was THAT worried about the nations health surely they would just ban tobbacco all together and be done with it,A Couple more hundred speed cameras and maybe up the poll tax another few hundred quid would pick up the lost revenue and maybe even leave enough left to push a couple more laws through parliment.:you_crazy:you_crazy

    GoodDoG wrote:
    If Govmt was THAT worried about the nations health surely they would just ban tobbacco all together and be done with it,A Couple more hundred speed cameras and maybe up the poll tax another few hundred quid would pick up the lost revenue and maybe even leave enough left to push a couple more laws through parliment.:you_crazy:you_crazy

    too wide spread still, too many potential votes.

    tarifa wrote:
    too wide spread still, too many potential votes.

    Exactly! A classic case of Government being seen to change things whilst (As long as it suits them) actually keeping things as they are.A bit like global warming,telling us limit our car use and air travel,whilst Tony and his cronies continue to jet off on thier hols and keep building new roads for us to drive on in the cars they would rather we didnt use as much.:you_crazy

    ahh u old cynic u, shame ur so spot on

    do as i say not do as i do, hypocrisy all the way

    Well banning itself cannot be the sole answer to heal this malady called smoking as those who are addicted to the smoking habits would surely find some way to carry on with this. Until and unless the awareness of the perils associated with this habit becomes known to them this evil habit would continue to thrive I feel.

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