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  • i’ve been e-mailing the government (not personaily) but signing petitions about legalizing cannabis/allowing personal use if you grow it yourself and etc………..

    but i was thinkin about it the other day, that every tim ewe get a reply back from Mr Brown he always says the same thing……….”cannabis causes chronic illnesses, its bad for you’re health, any type of smoking is bad for you’re health’

    so heres my question to all of you, if cannabis can’t be legalised for it’s ‘bad health’ why is tobacco being sold when it literally kills people?

    Maybe it is because they make so much revenue from it?

    I’m not sure cause i don’t smoke to be honest so it doesn’t affect me not directly anyway!

    But i agree i don’t know why they don’t legalize weed.

    yeh well my dad says ‘its ur own decision to buy cigarettes at you’re own will’………so wouldnt the arguement go the same against cannabis?

    TBH I think its only because tobacco and alcohol became entrenched in society before the culture of public health provision and strong governments arrived in many societies.

    Also until recently many people worked hard and lived in bad conditions so they died before these drugs did much damage to them and the public didn’t therefore care as much

    there also still a lot of people in authority (particularly religious followers of all major religions) who have the mindset that complete prohibition would work, provided there was enough resources to throw at enforcement.

    because this is unrealistic and tobacco/alcohol contribute through both taxes and industry to the market economy, they are grudgingly endured even by prohibitionists.

    Its like how raves in Norfolk happen not because farmers and locals welcome them, but there are a fair few ravers and not always enough cops to close them down.

    Even then, consider how many smoking bans there are and how tax on alcohol is increased and there are restricted drinking zones, ever increasing checking of ID in pubs/clubs, how checks are constantly made on traders and how every person is bombarded with anti-drinking propaganda these days.

    Some countries with smaller populations, strict border controls and strong governments have actually banned tobacco to a large extent! (such as the Kingdom of Bhutan)

    General Lighting wrote:
    TBH I think its only because tobacco and alcohol became entrenched in society before the culture of public health provision and strong governments arrived in many societies.

    nail on the head mate

    if alcohol was discovered today, it would be class a

    hyperSkunk wrote:
    so heres my question to all of you, if cannabis can’t be legalised for it’s ‘bad health’ why is tobacco being sold when it literally kills people?

    kills off ppl to purify the gene pool

    hahaha

    Playground Politics wrote:
    kills off ppl to purify the gene pool

    hahaha

    daaarwiinn!

    mornin pp… i feel a bit shit! saturday mornin innit. wat about you, hows the random highness?

    just ,made this thing i saw on the hariy bikers…turned out alright, but way to much washing up, am now thinking weather i should work in my local nightclub as photographist, or take my buddy down town get a bit trollied then head back to mine for some late night fun

    gotta be the latter, its a saturday!

    Playground Politics wrote:
    kills off ppl to purify the gene pool

    hahaha

    many a true word is said in jest

    take a look at the profiles of all the top politicians and businesspeople across the world – both in Western and Eastern countries loads of them are completely anti tobacco and don’t even drink much

    those who did do those things have given up

    if a politician is seen smoking today anywhere in Europe there is a media outcry

    we are quietly entering a new era of puritanism.

    hyperSkunk wrote:
    i’ve been e-mailing the government (not personaily) but signing petitions about legalizing cannabis/allowing personal use if you grow it yourself and etc………..

    but i was thinkin about it the other day, that every tim ewe get a reply back from Mr Brown he always says the same thing……….”cannabis causes chronic illnesses, its bad for you’re health, any type of smoking is bad for you’re health’

    so heres my question to all of you, if cannabis can’t be legalised for it’s ‘bad health’ why is tobacco being sold when it literally kills people?

    It is an absurd situation. Cannabis is a weed that grows naturally and in abundance all over the world. Banning it is like banning nature.

    The reasons that one is legal and another can get you 5 years inside is all based on cultural discrimination and rascist persecution.

    Cannabis was barely used in the UK untill the mid 50s when afro caribbeans migrated to the UK for work.

    One thing is for sure. It has nothing to do with the nation’s health.

    All the drug crimes are crimes without a victim.

    Unfortunately the illegality of drugs encourages gangland thugs to make vast sums of money through importation and distribution. This in turn spawns real crimes including loan sharking, counterfeiting of currency, distribution of guns, human trafficking, extortion and murder.

    As a society we pay a very high price for the ‘War on Drugs’.

    Thugs make lots of money.
    Really nasty crimes are funded with drug money.
    Innocent users and small time dealers lanquish in over crowded prisons.
    Vast amounts of public money get squandered on the ‘War on Drugs’.
    Already stretched police and HM cutoms resourses get over-stretched further still.

    Unfortunately there are no politicians prepared to engage in anything like a useful dialogue on this.

    In years to come this ‘War on Drugs’ will be likened to the ‘Witch Hunts’ of centuries ago.

    A sad state of affairs.

    Thats not true, many people are victimes of drug crimes….just recently a meth head ran over 6 people in london rushing over to his dealer after a weekend off his tits…..

    And also, the gangland thugs, yea they make money from drugs… but legalising drugs will not stop them committing crime… as you say they are into anything and everything that makes money… and they make plenty from all the other crimes you mention…its NOT that drugs fund people trafficking etc, but that people trafficking in itself is profitable…..they will not stop those crimes just cos drugs are legal…

    JulesDogg wrote:
    All the drug crimes are crimes without a victim.

    Unfortunately the illegality of drugs encourages gangland thugs to make vast sums of money through importation and distribution. This in turn spawns real crimes including loan sharking, counterfeiting of currency, distribution of guns, human trafficking, extortion and murder.

    As a society we pay a very high price for the ‘War on Drugs’.

    Thugs make lots of money.
    Really nasty crimes are funded with drug money.
    Innocent users and small time dealers lanquish in over crowded prisons.
    Vast amounts of public money get squandered on the ‘War on Drugs’.
    Already stretched police and HM cutoms resourses get over-stretched further still.

    Unfortunately there are no politicians prepared to engage in anything like a useful dialogue on this.

    In years to come this ‘War on Drugs’ will be likened to the ‘Witch Hunts’ of centuries ago.

    A sad state of affairs.

    Tekhan wrote:
    Thats not true, many people are victimes of drug crimes….just recently a meth head ran over 6 people in london rushing over to his dealer after a weekend off his tits…..

    And also, the gangland thugs, yea they make money from drugs… but legalising drugs will not stop them committing crime… as you say they are into anything and everything that makes money… and they make plenty from all the other crimes you mention…its NOT that drugs fund people trafficking etc, but that people trafficking in itself is profitable…..they will not stop those crimes just cos drugs are legal…

    I agree that when someone drives on drugs that is a crime. The crime is ‘driving under the influence’, a law that in my view is correct. The example you quote, while tragic, has little to do with the Controlled Substances Act. The stupid driver could just as easily have been drunk as is more often the case. The driver’s crime was to drive while high. Many users are somewhat more prudent (as are many drinkers) and should not be punished for smoking a joint with friends in the privacy of their own homes.

    Drugs trade contributes massively to the capital used by organised crime. Drug trafficking and distribution allows the funding of many more crimes and directly leads to crimes such as murder within gangland.

    I cannot recall making a case for legalisation. However, the ‘war on drugs’ is one of the most persistant failures of policy ever to be persued by any government.

    Quite simply it does not work, at all, ever. Any user of any drug anywhere in the UK can get high whenever they want to. This has been the case ever since the ‘war on drugs’ began. The odd haul of heroin or coke does nothing to stem the tide. In fact drugs are now cheaper and more abundant in the UK than they have ever been in history.

    The truth is people will behave like people, and people like to get high, fact. Using draconian measures like incarceration to prevent people from altering their mood through the use of any given substance is an infringement of their basic human rights.

    If the illegal status of drugs is to protect people from themselves then surely this should extend to any activity that that could be harmful to health i.e smoking, rock climbing, drinking, motor sport. See the contradiction! Would you like to be told you cannot race your motorcyle because it may harm your health, and that if you do you may be imprisoned? That would be absurd. Just as absurd as someone telling you that you cannot take a leaf from natures garden, dry it and smoke for your personal enjoyment. The hypocracy stinks.

    History is littered with examples of the outright failure of state prohibition and I can find no examples of success with prohibition, can you?

    What is needed is through, honest, informed debate. There are a variety of methods for distribution of drugs that are already in place and have worked very well for many years. Regulation already works very well in the tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical industries. A large portion of the profits from the regulated drugs industries go directly into the public purse. For the benefit of all. Not to gangsters.

    There are many arguments against the ‘war on drugs’ and very few that are in favour. History and the current effectiveness of this phoney war makes this more than obvious.

    The ‘war on drugs’ is an absolute failure, it always has been. Meanwhile many members of our society continue to be persecuted. To maintain the status quo is tragic, ignorant and a huge waste of public money.

    Honesty, education and informed debate is what is badly needed not filling our overcrowded prisons.

    Of course then there is the case for medical marijuana. Many older people in the UK and the world over find that marijuana is very effective in pain relief and the management of symtoms for many, many cronic complaints they suffer from. Some of these people find themselves in front of the magistrates and facing punishment for allieviating the pain they are suffering. This is not only absurd, yet again, but also an infringement of their basic human rights. A slightly different argument I know, but still that same law at fault.

    Of course then their are the tragedies that occur because of the current laws and misinformation.

    For example; heroin users all complain that methodone is more addictive and harder to kick than heroin. Of course the could cut out the middlemen (druglords) and have their heroin prescribed to them by their doctors. But not under current legisaltion.

    For some heroin users death is the outcome because of wildly varying purity and toxic adulteration. Again avoidable if regulated rather than prohibited.

    Then their was the sad case of Leah Betts who sadly died after taking an ecstacy pill. It was not the pill that killed her it was because she drank about 5 litres of water in a very short time. She did this because she had not been honestly educated about MDMA and was overly paranoid about dehydrating.

    The list of tragedies due to Britain’s drug laws and this terrible ‘war on drugs’ just goes on and on.

    Any sane individual that examined the current situation throughly would find it absolutely untennable and seek immediate change.

    Right, enough already, I’m off to smoke a joint in my own home ( and will not be driving).

    Peace y’all

    Tekhan wrote:
    Thats not true, many people are victimes of drug crimes….just recently a meth head ran over 6 people in london rushing over to his dealer after a weekend off his tits…..

    And also, the gangland thugs, yea they make money from drugs… but legalising drugs will not stop them committing crime… as you say they are into anything and everything that makes money… and they make plenty from all the other crimes you mention…its NOT that drugs fund people trafficking etc, but that people trafficking in itself is profitable…..they will not stop those crimes just cos drugs are legal…

    Tekhan, I think you’re knit-picking frankly. Drugs are the mainstay of gangland profit. Is that a good situation?

    The example of the methhead is sad one but does not really lend anything useful to the question of the ‘war on drugs’. In fact it adds weight to the point that the ‘war on drugs’ is a complete failure. He was racing down to his dealer wasn’t he?

    I am assuming that you support the ‘war on drugs’. If that is the case can you tell me what elements of it you feel are achieving their ends and how the current legislation is of benefit to our society.

    I see nothing in it’s favour but I am very open to being educated on the benefits that our society is currently accruing.

    Enlighten me : )

    Enlighten me : )

    each to their own. I very much doubt theres anythin i can enlighten anyone on…its a very broad debate….is the alternative to having a war on drugs living in an even more agressive world than we already do or a more peaceful kind one????

    Ill agree with whatever policy delivers the latter….

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