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Hi folks,
Everyday all you see and hear is of people being attacked, ppl being stabbed/shot beaten to death etc etc.
An 11 year old boy is shot and killed, A 20 year old woman died after a gang attack! and thats the tip of the iceberg!
The government are useless as are the courts, the police cant do fuckall due to red tape, its getting worse and worse each fucking day!
Does anyone think that one day the ‘establishment’ can rectify the situation or that in the end it’s us, the public who are gonna have to take the law into our own hands and fight back?
What are all your views on this?
not wantingto sound like a cheesy quaver or anythin, but what the people have to do is belive in their power to change tihngs rather than sit on thier arses, moaning about the price of bread and meanwhile not even bothering to vote or at least voice thier dissent.
Im a Chomsky-ite.. it shouldnt take violence, or armed revolution, but people voting with thier feet, being informed and unifying rather than continuously looking for differences between one another..
if people realise this, then the future’s bright.. innit?
now look waht youve made me do? I sound like a socialist lecturer!
argghh.. 😉
hahahahaa…. sorry just loved that phrase 😉
Its easy to get sucked by the medias latest obsession. Is the number of these type of crimes rising or falling, over recent years? Have many of the media reports you have seen discussed this?
I feel that journalists/the media, should put these kind of reports in context, if they are doin their job properly.
The sad fact is that moral panic sells papers…
I’ve been monitoring crime levels and reporting for about 10 years, as an offshoot of scrutinising the policing of the rave scene and the alternative communities.
The less hysterical media point out that the reality is that crime levels have fallen overall, but there are more violent crimes particularly those where “younger” people (aged around 11-40) are both victims and perpetrators of the crime
Also what has happened is that consumer society has made new tellies/hi fis etc so cheap its not worth criminals robbing them from houses, so instead they rob more expensive portable personal electronics such as MP3 players and mobile phones which of course less people had 10 years ago
And there is a lot of hate and envy about plus increased social and racial tension following 9/11, the Iraq war and 7/7..
I understand the concerns of people in our age group because it is actually rough on the streets at the moment; but arming ourselves is no different from just forming another gang – yet at the same time when we clamour for the cops/establishment to “do something about it” there’s the old saying “be careful what you wish for in case you get it..”
The “red tape” and “political correctness” that (sometimes) “holds back” the Police is the same human rights/equality legislation people fought in the 70s/80s to get and stop the cops just searching anyone below the age of 40 found on the streets after dark like what they used to do in the 80s/90s..
The “slow moving bureaucracy” and “lenient courts” was the same way that clued up ravers and recreational drug users stole a march on “the system” and set up the rave scene and alternative lifestyles.
The Courts can’t do much about real violent criminals until they stop filling HMP up with small time drug users, but many small time drug users seem not to be able to control their use so they don’t start theiving or acting like idiots and getting caught..
The Establishment could do a lot more and could have done this years ago, but it would result in a massive scaling down of the personal freedoms of British people that were enhanced in the late 80s (not that long ago!) and have been hitherto taken for granted…
They could also stop giving people time for crimes like speeding
(happened to a bloke in Oxford recently, yeah he was doing 172mph on the bypasss near my house, but jail time for that :you_crazy)
(happened to a bloke in Oxford recently, yeah he was doing 172mph on the bypasss near my house, but jail time for that :you_crazy)
I think jail should be reserved for when the bad driving has resulted in an RTC where people were hurt and killed, it costs a lot of money to put someone in jail and if they aren’t psychos they could still be doing another job
in a case of someone persistently breaking the road laws but where no one has been hurt, a long driving ban, retest and the confiscation and re-sale of the vehicle involved (if it hasn’t already been crashed) with the funds going to a road safety organisation would be a better punishment – I reckon it would hurt a gary boy a lot more to lose his car than his liberty!
IMO a lot of crimes like vandalism, theft etc should be dealt with by restorative justice -for instance those who trash fences/bus shelters end up being made to repaint one for the council with no pay other than basic food/drink (but maybe the chance to compete for a job in maintenance if they turn out to have useful skills)
if people get caught robbing from the Co-Op in some areas they have a scheme where rather than go to Court/YOI they have to clean up the store each day and they also get shown the figures about how their theft pushes up the prices for everyone…
I feel that journalists/the media, should put these kind of reports in context, if they are doin their job properly.
The sad fact is that moral panic sells papers…
absolutely.
what a load of bollocks. you are being manipulated by the press. now take a deep breath and repeat after me “i will use my own faculties of judgement about the state of society and not rely on th emedia to form my own opinions”.
Well said, i’m definately with you on this one
An yes bad things are going on an i deplore it but i also have to say that what’s reported on the tele an in the papers is NOT all that’s happening in the world.
the news depresses the hell out of me and does not, in my opinion, accurately represent the reality. Bad news sells, no-one wants to hear about the good stuff, the happy normalities, the inspirational things that people do every day, all the decent kids and adults out there.
there are tonnes of people out there having fun, being kind, doing incredible things, dealing with the bad crap in fantastic ways and personally i believe the good stuff that’s happening outweighs the bad stuff.
i’m not an idiot, and i don’t think everything in the garden is rosy, but for every bad thing that is happening there are people out there trying to fight it in positive, constructive ways.
For god’s sake people need to feel some sort of hope, the media just delivers hatred, violence and darkness (and yes i believe things should be addressed) but i also think that people should be reminded of the goodness out there.
This world isn’t just turning irreversibly into crap, its a wonderful place too, there is decency and happiness out there. It is there, in abundance.
I remember when killer devil dogs roamed in packs eating your toddlers, defiling your grandmother and used your pet tortoise as a toothpick afterwards, hence, dangerous dogs ban, strangely it turned out all dogs are capable of attack often according to their rearing and attitude to life. Dunblaine, ban all handguns, that’ll work, as Prince Phillip muttered in a rare moment of clarity “you can kill someone with a pencil if you really have the desire too”, so in celebration, we went and fucked over those nasty Serbs, Croats, blimey you couldn’t tell which crazy fool was killing who, with, erm, contraband guns that had to go somewhere after the so called cease fire, simoultaneously removing most blocks imposed over the Turkish route for heroin. I’ll think they’ll hammer on with gunchester etc for a while as most unfortunatly, the recent foot and mouth epidemic has been a bit of a damp squib. Then there’s child abduction, rates haven’t increased over the last few decades as far as I’m aware, but hell, what kind of parent would you be if you didn’t take note of the screaming headlines?
Wow, I ranted and on a Sunday :crazy:
I also wonder if its the backlash against “80s political correctness” which is causing these problems?
in the 80s/90s, the “do-gooders” were actually left alone to do some good (however hated they may have been), today their budgets are slashed and their projects cancelled halfway through almost as a matter of spite…
Also racism and sexism was definitely uncool back then, and if you did drugs you were encouraged to be positive when you were high rather than act in the usual townie manner.
I always felt the “90s” rave scene wasn’t a “hippy” thing as much (although it did have hippy influences) nor the American PLUR ethos, but was a uniquely British subculture – people bucked the system but at the same time did it in such a way as not to provoke such a backlash from those who didn’t want to participate…
Also kids/teenagers were in schools that abandoned the last bits of “progressive 70s education” in the 80s and went full on into turning schools back into ruthlessly competitive exam factories (they did this right in the middle of my high school education from what I remember of it) – by creating winners and losers sometimes those who feel they are “losers” from an early age decide to fight back and make everyone else lose..
What this country forgets is if we ape SE/East Asia is the communities in the Eastern countries have strong families and also support networks so if a kid doesn’t get all their exams they can still at least become a plumber or work in the computer factory – here we’ve wrecked our trades / public utilities / manufactuiring companies for short term shareholder gain..
innit…
you’re never gonna hear:
today on BBC NEWS 24: “there were no stabbings down beaker lane, no-one got mugged, and the police did not arrest anyone. next story…”
bad news sells.
this pisses me off, at our school there have been people “asked to leave” for very minor incidents, simply because they aren’t academically clever and will drag grades down
people are told they wont be entered for an exam, sometimes an excuse isn’t even made
Everyday all you see and hear is of people being attacked, ppl being stabbed/shot beaten to death etc etc.
An 11 year old boy is shot and killed, A 20 year old woman died after a gang attack! and thats the tip of the iceberg!
The government are useless as are the courts, the police cant do fuckall due to red tape, its getting worse and worse each fucking day!
Does anyone think that one day the ‘establishment’ can rectify the situation or that in the end it’s us, the public who are gonna have to take the law into our own hands and fight back?
What are all your views on this?
Stop watching the news dude….:crazy_diz It’s bad for your sense of perspective (because the only perspective generally presented on the news is the sensationalist one – which tends to be negative).
As someone who is a fairly keen reader of history, I can assure you the human race is evolving towards being less savage, not more (and any newscaster or politician is welcome to come and argue that whole “victorian values” thing with me – I will happily open their eyes to how victorian values would not be a good thing to return to)…
Yes, it is true that there are f**kwits about – but that has always been true, and the only reason you think it’s getting worse is because you have the stories beamed into your living room 24/7, and presented to you on a page with your morning coffee. Repetition breeds belief. You’re told constantly how it’s getting “worse”, and you eventually believe it to be true…
Take Chuck D’s advice, and “don’t believe the hype”…:wink:
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