Spasms and twitches for 3 days (= 0 hrs sleep) after really strong MDMA crystals

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December 22, 2011 at 10:28 am

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savior

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yeah, i know i made a mistake, but i wrongly thought that 1 g of mdma was the same as 1 pill.

i used to dance 10 years ago and made the mistake of not getting information about current dosages…now i learned the mistake, you can be assured of that.
December 22, 2011 at 3:25 pm

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@LysergicAcid 461389 wrote:

your insane! that was a huge dosage in such a short amount of time ^^

some dont even take that much in a whole night! your just asking to keel over and die? but I find a good drug like phenazepam helps with that if the next day you take a small amount and force yourself into a sleep you will wake up feeling very good.

Can you imagin taking a G of phenzapam! … Might not be so good to sugest that lol. Alltho in situations like that benzo’s can help, but if anyone’s to go down that road I suvearly sugest getting normal benzo’s like vallium as I know of at least 2-3 experianced drug takers who have fucked up on the dosage of phenny and had bad shit happening to them.
July 24, 2012 at 9:10 am

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Hey there, on 15 August i will go back to London and roll again, for the first time after one year from the bad experience of this thread.

I was reading about pre-rolling preparation and stuff to take to improve the rolling experience. Many people advice to take piracetam (3200mg the same day or 1600 + 1600 the previous 2 days). Would you recommend it? I read that it lowers the tolerance…but if i want to take something, i want something that lets me stay on the safe side and that reduces the risks to the minimum, i don’t want to amplify the effects of MDMA.
Also, could i roll saturday and sunday or should i do only one night?
Cheers
July 24, 2012 at 12:45 pm

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Mezz

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If it was proper & pure then 1g was a HUGE dose

Most pressed pills are only 250mg total weight, and much of that is filler, color and binding agents, wouldnt surprise me if 1g pure was the equivalent of 6-8 average pills

I would put most of the twitches and spams down to lack of sleep and far more exercise than you are used to, hope your feeling better soon
July 24, 2012 at 3:30 pm

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Gram of Mandy wouldnt keep you up for 3 days straight……2 grams probably wouldnt if its pure without any speedy stuff in it.

Dont bother with pre preperation I find all that stuff a load of rubbish. The only thing to get a better “roll” is the setting and how long it was since you last took it.

Have fun with it and stay safe. Drink water and make sure and go for a piss!
July 25, 2012 at 12:44 pm

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@Mezz: i had this problem one year ago, it was gradually solved within one month time and i am healthy now…

i want to stay on the safe side this time.
But since here in italy there’s no such music as the one in London, i would like, if not too risky, maybe to go twice in the week-end i will be there…
don’t you think that, after one year of complete rest from rolling, and healthy life and diet, the serotonin level should be back to normal?
the party on saturday will be over at 3am, was thinking of getting some sleep and then maybe on sunday night another round…but will see how i feel after saturday.
Last year i could not sleep at all beetween the 2 parties, and i had taken 3 pills on saturday and then used a huge amount of MD on sunday…this time i would do let’s say one pill and a half on saturday, and one pill on sunday…would this be too much?
July 25, 2012 at 5:46 pm

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@savior 489209 wrote:

@Mezz: i had this problem one year ago, it was gradually solved within one month time and i am healthy now…

i want to stay on the safe side this time.
But since here in italy there’s no such music as the one in London, i would like, if not too risky, maybe to go twice in the week-end i will be there…
don’t you think that, after one year of complete rest from rolling, and healthy life and diet, the serotonin level should be back to normal?
the party on saturday will be over at 3am, was thinking of getting some sleep and then maybe on sunday night another round…but will see how i feel after saturday.
Last year i could not sleep at all beetween the 2 parties, and i had taken 3 pills on saturday and then used a huge amount of MD on sunday…this time i would do let’s say one pill and a half on saturday, and one pill on sunday…would this be too much?

Mate, thats what we call ‘Binging’ and it’s dangerous on any drug

Your mind needs sleep, even after 24 hours you can start seeing things and zoning out with loss of memory, loss of concentration and unable to do simple tasks, after 48 it gets serious. There is a reason sleep deprivation is used as form of torture.

You body also needs time to recover, on stuff like Es, Wizz & drone you feel dont feel pain, but you need pain, pain is an alarm system that tells you when you are damaging yourself.

Remember the difference between recreational drug users and people who have drug problems is recreational users no when to stop.

I would never recommend 2 nights in a row, but if you’re going to do it at least make sure you get 6 hours proper sleep and a proper meal inbetween, stay hydrated and if your aching or burned out do not top up, thats the sign you need to crash and recover
July 26, 2012 at 8:58 am

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savior

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Thanks mate, great suggestions, that’s what i am going to do…i will go to sleep after 3am and only if i can sleep well and eat normally (and if i find a good party for sunday 19 August, any advice welcome 🙂 ) I will go on sunday, always without exaggerating of course, and depending on how i feel.
what does “if you are burned out do not top up” mean?
July 26, 2012 at 12:48 pm

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@savior 489286 wrote:

what does “if you are burned out do not top up” mean?

if you are feeling tired and exhausted, then do not take any more drugs.

I can be bad for pushing my body too far even without touching any drugs, I gave them up a few years ago but because I am lucky to have a job I enjoy and rediscovered some interests in music I try and fit too much into limited time and don;t get enough sleep which can be bad for you.

BTW fair play to you for not just taking good advice but also coming back here to let us know you are alive and well and to get more good advice (And Mezz for his helpful advice).
July 26, 2012 at 1:14 pm

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savior

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ok, cool, really appreciated.

I just don’t like asking for help and then disappearing, it does not sound fair, and i also thought it might have been of help to anyone who could have the same problem.

Thanks to all the members of this great forum.

I’ll let you know how it went also this time 😉
July 26, 2012 at 5:30 pm

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@Mezz 489234 wrote:

Mate, thats what we call ‘Binging’ and it’s dangerous on any drug

Your mind needs sleep, even after 24 hours you can start seeing things and zoning out with loss of memory, loss of concentration and unable to do simple tasks, after 48 it gets serious. There is a reason sleep deprivation is used as form of torture.

You body also needs time to recover, on stuff like Es, Wizz & drone you feel dont feel pain, but you need pain, pain is an alarm system that tells you when you are damaging yourself.

Remember the difference between recreational drug users and people who have drug problems is recreational users no when to stop.

I would never recommend 2 nights in a row, but if you’re going to do it at least make sure you get 6 hours proper sleep and a proper meal inbetween, stay hydrated and if your aching or burned out do not top up, thats the sign you need to crash and recover

This is very good advise. I probably need to listen to it my self sometimes! 🙂
August 9, 2012 at 12:58 pm

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savior

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On saturday I knew there was a party here in Rome, with Trance music, and here they are like gold to be found so i decided to go. Found some MD, wanted to try a little just to remove my fear and enjoy the roll in London without worries… tested it with Marquis and it seemed very good, reagent went dark blue/purple almost immediately. I bought what supposedly was .2 (maybe it was less), it was greyish, rocky but with some crushed powder too, don’t know if it was cut or if that powder was just MD that got crushed. I got a little bit more than half of it. Considering it is never 100% pure, i can presumably say i got around 75mg at maximum.

At 1 am i drank it, mixing it in the water. At 2 i started feeling it come up and had a moment of almost strong hit as i used in the past, but at that moment i started being a little worried fearing i would have had again problems sleeping, music was not so good as the one i love, speakers were really shitty and people not really the best…so it never really gave me a great come up…it might have been also the low dosage… this was nothing compared to my last 1 gram dose.

So at the end i had just a couple of hours of good energy and a bit of empathy, but really not so happy and friend with the world as i would have liked …then i started feeling tired. At 6 am i went to sleep. I had just a couple of small muscular twitches but then slept very well until 12. Then slept again in the afternoon. At night before falling asleep a small twitch made me worry a little but then slept without any problem, like a baby.

Now in the last three night i regularly have tics/twitches again, involuntary muscle movements on neck, legs and arms, right before falling asleep. They are less intense and frequent than those i had last year, but they are back. Melatonin is helping me and they seem to be fading away day after day…considering last year they lasted one month, i guess now they should go in a week.

Also during the day i am still a bit dizzy (smoking hashish doesn’t help) and if i drink just a bit of alcohol i get a weird headache, like a slight loss of balance.

What do you think? I got such a small dose after one year and i already have these bad symptoms?

By the way i have canceled my trip to London, don’t want to do it anymore, or at least for other 6-12 months.

I guess it would be better to quit for good and that’s it… 😥
August 9, 2012 at 2:00 pm

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General Lighting

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these side effects are normal for all amfetamine type stimulants, even small doses after abstinence. some years ago I moved city for a new job, and stopped partying for nearly a year or so. Then I occasionally indulged and even then I’d get for a week these annoying and alarming (but not life threatening) side effects. They were enough to make me eventually give up the party lifestyle (not music though) as it wasn’t worth the negatives. The use of cannabis, though not uncommon amongst our generation as a “comedown smoothing” drug isn’t as helpful as it may seem and can make these effects worse. also as you get older it is not just the drugs what can make you have “bad feelings”. it might be concerns over things like work performance the days after, neglecting family commitments (if you are a parent or in long term relationship, and I get the impression being Italian is like being Asian, family values are important!)

these mental things can even make you feel physically ill! Although cancelling the trip to London in the short term may be a good idea, there is no reason why one day you might not go again, or for a stay which doesn’t just involve hard partying. It is why i have not been in a great hurry to go to the Netherlands, in spite of being a fan of the music from there and language becoming less of a problem….
August 16, 2012 at 6:48 pm

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Itsamagicting

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Sorry to hear that mate,

1g in 3 hours is a shit load to take though, espically if it was good quality.

I can run good on a 1/2g over like 4-5 hours and i’m not a small guy either.
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