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are they actually making the spice mix illegal. or are they making the individual igredients that go in to make up spice illegal as well?
What are the actual ingredients of spice? I think it’s the Spice product which is being banned.
Ingredients
Spice was claimed by the manufacturers to contain a mixture of traditionally used medicinal herbs, each of which supposedly produces mild effects with the overall blend resulting in the cannabis-like intoxication produced by the product. Herbs listed on the packaging include Canavalia maritima, Nymphaea caerulea, Scutellaria nana, Pedicularis densiflora, Leonotis leonurus, Zornia latifolia, Nelumbo nucifera and Leonurus sibiricus. However when the product was analysed by laboratories in Germany and elsewhere, it was found that many of the characteristic “fingerprint” molecules expected to be present from the claimed plant ingredients could not be located, and also there were large amounts of synthetic tocopherol present. This suggested that the actual ingredients might not be the same as what was listed on the packet, and a German government risk assessment of the product conducted in November 2008 concluded that it was unclear what the actual plant ingredients were, where the synthetic tocopherol had come from, and whether the subjective cannabis-like effects were actually produced by any of the claimed plant ingredients or instead might possibly be caused by a synthetic cannabinoid drug.[1]
[edit] Synthetic cannabinoid ingredients
On December 15 2008, it was announced by German pharmaceutical company THCPharm, that JWH-018 had been found as one of the active components in at least three versions of the supposedly “herbal” smoking blend, cannabis substitute drug Spice, which had been sold in a number of countries around the world since 2002 as an “incense” or legal substitute for marijuana.[2][3][4][5]
On January 19 2009, it was announced by the University of Freiburg in Germany that the other main active substance in Spice is an undisclosed analogue of the synthetic cannabinoid CP 47,497.[6] On the 22nd January 2009, CP 47,497 along with its dimethylhexyl, dimethyloctyl and dimethylnonyl homologues, were added to the German controlled drug schedules (“Betäubungsmittelgesetz”).[7][8] Different ratios of JWH-018 and CP 47,497 and their analogues had apparently been used in the various different varieties of Spice.
Another potent synthetic cannabinoid, HU-210, has been reported to have been found in Spice seized by the US Customs & Border Protection.[9] However, this has yet to be confirmed and the test results have not been made available to the public.
[edit] Competing Products
A large number of competing products made by other manufacturers appeared shortly after the emergence of spice. Of these products “Smoke” and “Skunk” were found to contain both JWH-018 and oleamide [10]. However, the ingredients of many other market competitors are still unknown.
Fuck that shit!
TBH I’m glad its banned. its bad enough that some forms of cannabis has been corrupted into genetically modified chemically enhanced shite without more and potentially worse synthetic stuff appearing on the scene…
one of the main pro-legalisation arguments was that cannabis was a naturally grown herb…
@DJCliffy 345720 wrote:
Things will get better, I’ve already had reports from mates about decent mandy coming back into circulation. Actual proper crystal mdma.
All this “ecstasy is dead and will never return” scaremongering is bollocks, Other countries are still getting the good stuff and so shall we soon.
I can’t see people making Mcpp pills cos Mcpp is part of the BZP family, They might make some but hopefully not on the scale it is now.
Also Mcpp will be banned as well as it’s related to BZP.
I think its easy to feel “grass is greener on the other side” but I’ve seen posters on here from Canada and Malaysia complain recently about crap MDMA/pills.
its possible that MDMA might return as BZP becomes illegal – in the EU there isn’t much difference in sentencing (at dealer/supplier level) for all classes of drugs, and in harsher countries people may literally think “better to be hanged for a sheep than a lamb” – but its also possible that 4-MMC will turn up in pills instead, unless this chemical is made class A when it is classified.
The lack of E, is not to do with the rising popularity of legal highs, the rising popularity of legal highs is a result of the shite E. There will always be big demand for E,And classes mean fuck all to user.
classes may mean fuck all to users but not to middle level dealers and chemists, the classification of substance they put in their product may mean the difference between 5 or 10 or 20 years in jail, or in some nations the difference between a prison sentence for selling “fake medicines” or the death penalty! this has a big impact on the quality of recreational drugs. Feds worldwide know this and are using it as an attempt to reduce demand by reducing the quality.
But think back to the early nineties, Being in rocession of one pill was much more of a bigger deal then, than it is now.But masses still took it. I think that would of been the same for the manufactures aswell, as the penalties have decreased the quality has gone down. I think a chemist don’t care about prison sentences though, otherwise they would not be doing it in the first place.The money overrides the fact that there could be a prison sentence. They look for one thing and one thing only.
@TheLostOne 345899 wrote:
But think back to the early nineties, Being in rocession of one pill was much more of a bigger deal then, than it is now.But masses still took it. I think that would of been the same for the manufactures aswell, as the penalties have decreased the quality has gone down. [/quote]
I’ve been interested in criminology since the time I started raving (18 years ago) and I get the impression penalties for small posession and low level dealing have decreased – but penalties for big time dealers still remain fairly constant since the late 80s/early 90s. There is also now confiscation of the assets of big time dealers which didn’t happen in the 90s..
Quote:I think a chemist don’t care about prison sentences though, otherwise they would not be doing it in the first place.The money overrides the fact that there could be a prison sentence. They look for one thing and one thing only.
the price of drugs went down (even in the good days) saturating the market and reducing the available revenue, and production shifted out of UK / Europe this happens with every industry, legal or illegal – such as how as an IT professional I have to compete with people in Bangladesh what work for £5 an hour..
Unfortunately there are now many more things a chemist can do (either legitimate or illegal) what would make them much more money than manufacturing illegal substances. Also in this country most of the people what study chemistry to a level where they could make pills increasingly tend to be law-abiding types who wouldn’t risk their future for short term gain.
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