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There’s NO excuse for it at parties, ever!
It’s very dangerous, serves no purpose other than some childish fullfilment and gives the authorities a good reason to stop parties.
Don’t tollerate it at yours…
Freedom to party’s a responsability, it doesn’t give us the right to run riot!
dam right! it should not happen and if i saw someone doin anything that i thought would effect the party goers happy ways i would have to put a stop to it
no weapons, no pens, no paint, no violence
yeh a nice indoor site has been lost near here… second time it was used someone sprayed some rubbish on a neighbouring building
so the owner doesn’t want us there again :annoyed:
it wasn’t even good graf :oh_god:
just crappy black spray scribbles :you_smart
the reason that buildings are squatted and partied (mostly) is because their current owners are waiting for a profit to fall on their laps and dont give two shits if the dilapidation of their building has an adverse affect on the surrounding community. vandalism = Willful or malicious destruction of public or private property. painting = willfull and creative enhancement of a given space.
smashing stuff up is rubbish, but if the building is a local embarrasement, then a bit of destruction may help persuade the owner to sell it on, which is a positive thing. i dont beleive in respect for property if the owner has no respect either. if it is a wealthy landowners building, then if it burnt to the ground (so long as noone was hurt) noones lost out.
on the other hand, in regard to natural environs, none of it is really owned by anyone, so it should be maintained for its own sake, because its beautiful and we enjoy it. there’s no excuse for mistreating an ecosystem.
once again, really vague poll.
vandalism is one of the main reasons why cops have become heavier recently in some areas. In my day job I develop software which produces reports for a finance department. One of these reports shows the cost of building repairs and maintenance.
When the rest of society claims “there was tens of thousands worth damage done to a building” they are not exaggerating; that is indeed the cost of making repairs to industrial buildings, particularly if the mechanical services infrastructure (pipes, WCs and washrooms, tanks and other plumbing) is destroyed.
Cleaning companies also (rightly) charge a premium price to deal with contamination from human waste (a biohazard which contains the worst pathogens that any species can produce)
And that goes for the outside as well – sadly I’m aware even outdoors people break down fences, shit in crop fields, even “doughnut” (drive cars through) crop fields and trash agricultural machinery
At the same time cops have now got new comms equipment which makes it easier to call out the territorial support groups (riot squad) and/or request backup from the next force.
When the potential cost of damage and disruption is greater than the cost of police overtime, the rest of society doesn’t have a problem with the TSG being sent in to stop a party “by whatever means necessary”. Cops are also more likely to seize rigs to “take the financial loss back to those who caused it”.
Either we stop the vandalism – or parties get stopped.
the reason that buildings are squatted and partied (mostly) is because their current owners are waiting for a profit to fall on their laps and dont give two shits if the dilapidation of their building has an adverse affect on the surrounding community. vandalism = Willful or malicious destruction of public or private property. painting = willfull and creative enhancement of a given space.
TBH most of the people who bring “art materials” to parties are not interested in doing decent pieces, but merely tagging everything in sight. There are also alleged links between at least one London graf crew and muggings, which doesn’t do their case any good.
Unfortunately a lot of buildings aren’t managed by wealthy landowners, they are very good at passing the risks of business on to someone smaller!
Sometimes buildings taken are “between uses” and have been leased to a smaller property management company or a small business (who intends to refurbish the place, but has been careless about security due to costs)
And we have even had people tagging trees outside :frown:
the reason that buildings are squatted and partied (mostly) is because their current owners are waiting for a profit to fall on their laps and dont give two shits if the dilapidation of their building has an adverse affect on the surrounding community. vandalism = Willful or malicious destruction of public or private property. painting = willfull and creative enhancement of a given space.
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a. its vandalism, i like graff, we got a graff banner, but its still vandalism and doesnt look good in the eyes of the law.
b. alot of the graff crews do nothing but tag, lurk in corridors and invade peoples pockets, you rarely see them dancin or smiling.
other crews (manik and munt) have the same rules, no paint, no pens, they do this for good reasons. they know the score.
b. alot of the graff crews do nothing but tag, lurk in corridors and invade peoples pockets, you rarely see them dancin or smiling.
other crews (manik and munt) have the same rules, no paint, no pens, they do this for good reasons. they know the score.
As far as I’m concerned no matter what the circumstances of the palce being used there’s no excuse!
i dont think we should be blindly pandering to the law, all the squats i’ve been to have been owned by rich landlords- hence being able to leave an entire building generating no profits. i dont think tagging trees looks nice, and trees are porous so dont take paint well, but it doesn’t actually harm the trees.
i’m not a fan of tagging either, but give me tags and piss over nokia and nike adverts anyday! we live here, we can decaoate it as we like, until the authorities recognise it as an art from, it will also be an act of rebellion with little else content.
obviously we dont want parties shut down, but considering the fuzz come down just as hard on parties wether there is graff/ destruction or not, i dont think that less vandalism means the pigs will leave us alone. they may say that, but any pwer they manage to weild over us is good in their eyes. the just want us to fall into line, doesnt matter what over.
i’m not a fan of tagging either, but give me tags and piss over nokia and nike adverts anyday! we live here, we can decaoate it as we like, until the authorities recognise it as an art from, it will also be an act of rebellion with little else content.
obviously we dont want parties shut down, but considering the fuzz come down just as hard on parties wether there is graff/ destruction or not, i dont think that less vandalism means the pigs will leave us alone. they may say that, but any pwer they manage to weild over us is good in their eyes. the just want us to fall into line, doesnt matter what over.
hmmmm, interestin points….but to be honest i think theres a time and a place, over your basket ball courts walls or on the boring walls of a rail way tunnel it adds abit of spice to the scenery….and as much as id rather see phat graff peices over warehouse walls than paint, it does more harm than good.
The Government and General Public dont exactly all like raves as it is, the more amunition we give them the more likely they are to close a party or stop all parties for good.
Paintin a prity picture on a wall is just gonna bump up the repair costs and will only piss the warehouse owner off more and cause them to make more complaints.
my point is we shouldnt be giving them more reasons to hate us. its not the police who have a problem, they do their jobs thats all. its the complaints they recive which cause them to give us grief.
in our area (thames valley) the cops basically let us get away with it in some areas for years on end until the damage got out of hand – and then they clamped down. The decision whether to press charges and/or make a formal complaint is not one for the cops but left to the building owners or managers anyway.
its true cops will always try and stop a party; and there are other issues like traffic safety etc they can use….but its not a case of blindly pandering to the law, its more making a sensible judgement on the situation. (this goes for choice of venues by crews as well!)
There have been parties in totally derelict buildings awaiting demolition [but still structurally safe] where the cops didn’t even turn up until sunday afternoon and left shortly afterwards without taking further action.
On one occasion staff a the local council actually tipped off organisers to the presence of a big factory which was used for a rave. This party happened, and the old bill didn’t even turn up!
I’ve also seen a council worker send the cops away when he saw people tidying up at the end of a free party, he said “well you lot left it tidier than when we started” – they didn’t even get a chance to check the cars numberplates!
But if you piss the building owners off, cops are far more likely to confiscate stuff (if only because people claim it and they can then hold people accountable).
The authorities have an endless pot of taxpayers money; the building owner has bought the building on the free market.
Whatever we may say, they have the power, trashing buildings won’t change things and will only make it worse. There are also those who don’t have a house and may wish to live in the warehouse as a residential squat!
I touched on this briefly at the end of the last post but realised I didn’t give this issue its prominence
fair enough you don’t want to defend “rich landlords” but think of this..
some good friends of mine used to sort out squats for both parties and living in. they would take the top bits/offices to sleep in and the rigs would go downstairs.
You’d usually get a month this way before the place got evicted – two parties and you’d use the big warehouse space for stuff like repairing rigs, backdrops and bikes and gathering tat to sell during the two off-weeks.
But they gave up in the end, as every time the places were partied there would be not only bare tags everywhere (not even decent pieces),but kids would go into the squatters’ rooms and try to nick stuff, and/or kick through the partition walls, and they would piss, shit and puke everywhere despite the presence of serviceable urinals and WCs!
After one party, one of the squatters was getting food from a skip when cops drew up. He was basically warned “next time you rave a building we will do you for criminal damage” and this wasn’t an idle threat, people I know have been done for this before.
Now this is a homeless peniless squatter, so a criminal charge that would get you or I a caution or fine means days in the cells (can’t prove address/may jump bail so max detention time and remand in custody)
And to his credit this chap even sorted out a building quite recently (this also involves living in it the week before virtually on your own and with the risk of quizzing from cops and rentaguards) ; he ended up having to leave it at short notice after the party (in the pissing rain and cold weather and on a comedown); there was so much damage, shit and piss he would rather abandon it than risk any grief 🙁
is it still ok to damage a building when someone else from our side ends up having their life disrupted or even doing time for it?
Yeah but it’s always the parties with a bit of damage done to property (be it smashy or graff) that get bad press. Even if the building is a run down hole then they play it up as being a project of some poor soul to regenerate it and now it’s set them back years.
Whether this is bull shit or not it still stands that these parties are the ones that get the bad reports and alter peoples views for the worse. The ones that are vandalism free and make a good effort to tidy up usually get commended.
So in my opinion, keep all of it away from parties, even if it is art. There are plenty of other times and places for it.
biggest irony is if most of the decent writers hooked up with the rig crews they’d be happy to get a backdrop or two done and would even contribute towards materials..
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