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  • your right bro thats what i want to get my life back but am trying the best.
    its getting better i cut the sub down.the onley reson i ask about the pills
    i need some sleep,because i work.its all good just time. cheers bro.

    wingman wrote:
    your right bro thats what i want to get my life back but am trying the best.
    its getting better i cut the sub down.the onley reson i ask about the pills
    i need some sleep,because i work.its all good just time. cheers bro.

    get a couple of days off you sound like you need it. stop caffine as well that can help.

    hi bro you told me never take naltexone on top of pain meds
    what is it.an i want to ask you the subutex am now on 4mg do you think
    i can get this down. an talking valuem on top i know its not a good.to tell
    you the truth bro ive been on the gear 7 years just sniffing it. i tried the pins
    a few times.but thats all.am a bit worred the onley way i got to sleep is with
    the valuem an clonex i need this to work so much if am messing this up let
    me know. ps how did you get your self sorted out an how long were you at
    it .as itold you am not so clued up on all this stuff i was 7 years in onley
    my wife new about it. anyadvice what to do be good cheers.

    wingman wrote:
    hi bro you told me never take naltexone on top of pain meds
    what is it.an i want to ask you the subutex am now on 4mg do you think
    i can get this down. an talking valuem on top i know its not a good.to tell
    you the truth bro ive been on the gear 7 years just sniffing it. i tried the pins
    a few times.but thats all.am a bit worred the onley way i got to sleep is with
    the valuem an clonex i need this to work so much if am messing this up let
    me know. ps how did you get your self sorted out an how long were you at
    it .as itold you am not so clued up on all this stuff i was 7 years in onley
    my wife new about it. anyadvice what to do be good cheers.

    naltrexone flushes your opiate receptors and blocks them all at once so if your on any opiate in your system it sends you into major withdrawrals and even if you stuck a gram of gear up your arm it would do nothing.

    I was using around a 16th of smack iv a day i cut down then stoped ended up using about a ten bag .2 of a gram every three days so i didnt realy notice any withdrawrals when i stoped. took the odd df118 (dihydrocodine) tablet n that was that.

    i have been on the subutex now for 7 days.am glad to be of the gear but the subs have a strange feeling to them.just be good to know what other people think of them. is methadone a better choice can you function on methadone an whats it like?

    i dont know

    wingman wrote:
    i have been on the subutex now for 7 days.am glad to be of the gear
    but the subs have a strange feeling to them.just be good to know what
    other people think of them. is methadone a better choice can you
    function on methadone an whats it like?

    Check your PM and get back to me. Hope all is well with you and your partner.

    What dose are you on?

    Shit just PM me and we’ll discuss it there.

    Good luck and congrats on 7 days clean. You’ll get there. Trust!

    :group_hug:group_hug:love::love:

    Id avoid methadone at all costs if I were you, took me over a year to get off it, reducing at like 1ml a week, painfujl and slow.

    Stick to the subs, stabilise and reduce and stop as quickly as possible before you get too dependant on them… It worked for me anyway, I found them much easier than methadone to get off.

    Mind you I was on meth for about 7 years in total

    Gd Luck

    SD wrote:
    Id avoid methadone at all costs if I were you, took me over a year to get off it, reducing at like 1ml a week, painfujl and slow.

    Stick to the subs, stabilise and reduce and stop as quickly as possible before you get too dependant on them… It worked for me anyway, I found them much easier than methadone to get off.

    Mind you I was on meth for about 7 years in total

    Gd Luckthanks for getting back.am going to take your advice.
    but their is some think i don’t get Ive seen this on Manny sites. why do pepole
    want to get of the subs. i mean as long as you are of the gear
    that’s the main.thing.do the subs have side effects. the doctor give me clonex
    as well just to help with the sleep you feel now not taking any think.
    an how did you do it. good luck to you

    Well its up to you, im not telling you what to do. I was just assuming that you wanted to get clean….

    To me, being clean meant being off all opiates-heroin,methadone,subutex etc…

    If your happy and stable on them then theres no reason why you cant stay on them I guess….

    They’re still a strong opiate though, and although you don’t feel stoned or anything, when you come off them you should notice feeling a lot more alert and emotional for a while at least.

    I came down from 60nls of methadone to 10 then swapped to 8mg of subutex, stabilised for a few days and started reducing, I was only on them for a month i think in total.

    Theyre really not that hard to come off, nothing like metahdone, just get your dose as low as possible before you stop. I hardly felt it. I jumped at something like .2mg I think

    Gd Luck

    SD wrote:
    Well its up to you, im not telling you what to do. I was just assuming that you wanted to get clean….

    To me, being clean meant being off all opiates-heroin,methadone,subutex etc…

    If your happy and stable on them then theres no reason why you cant stay on them I guess….

    They’re still a strong opiate though, and although you don’t feel stoned or anything, when you come off them you should notice feeling a lot more alert and emotional for a while at least.

    I came down from 60nls of methadone to 10 then swapped to 8mg of subutex, stabilised for a few days and started reducing, I was only on them for a month i think in total.

    Theyre really not that hard to come off, nothing like metahdone, just get your dose as low as possible before you stop. I hardly felt it. I jumped at something like .2mg I think

    Gd Luck thanks bro what i have done got the subs down 4mg for
    now am happy am not going to push my luck. its been 7 years on gear so
    am very happy.but i understand what you mean will give it more time an
    then try cut down 2mg.one day at a time cheers

    wingman wrote:
    thanks bro what i have done got the subs down 4mg for
    now am happy am not going to push my luck. its been 7 years on gear so
    am very happy.but i understand what you mean will give it more time an
    then try cut down 2mg.one day at a time cheers

    2mg’s one day at a time imo. is too fast. Try this:wink:

    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Day 1 (8mg to 12mg) – If all you needed was less than simply find your dose and reduce a little slower or in 1mg doses.
    Day 2 (8mg to 12mg) Once a day.. or split into (2) 4mg or 6mg doses
    Day 3 (8mg to 12mg)
    Day 4 (6mg to 10mg)
    Day 5 (6mg to 10mg)
    Day 6 (6mg to 8mg)
    Day 7 (4mg to 8mg)
    Day 8 (4mg to 6mg)
    Day 9 (4mg to 6mg)
    Day 10 (2mg to 4mg)
    Day 11 (2mg to 4mg)
    Day 12 (2mg to 3mg)
    Day 13 (1mg to 2mg) (at around this point you may start to feel the reductions)
    Day 14 (1mg to 2mg)
    Day 15 (1mg to 2mg)
    Day 16 (.5mg to 1mg) (you can stop at this point if you are ready)
    Day 17 (.5mg to 1mg)
    Day 18 (.5mg to 1mg)
    Days 19 to 21- (.25mg to .5mg) if you can break/cut the pills this small, this low amount will make the wds as mild as possible. A long drawn out taper is not really needed if you are not yet physically addicted to the sub, so feel free to make up your own plan, just try to jump at around the 1mg mark for the easiest overall time. (Short term sub detoxes only)
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    Agent Subby wrote:
    2mg’s one day at a time imo. is too fast. Try this:wink:

    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Day 1 (8mg to 12mg) – If all you needed was less than simply find your dose and reduce a little slower or in 1mg doses.
    Day 2 (8mg to 12mg) Once a day.. or split into (2) 4mg or 6mg doses
    Day 3 (8mg to 12mg)
    Day 4 (6mg to 10mg)
    Day 5 (6mg to 10mg)
    Day 6 (6mg to 8mg)
    Day 7 (4mg to 8mg)
    Day 8 (4mg to 6mg)
    Day 9 (4mg to 6mg)
    Day 10 (2mg to 4mg)
    Day 11 (2mg to 4mg)
    Day 12 (2mg to 3mg)
    Day 13 (1mg to 2mg) (at around this point you may start to feel the reductions)
    Day 14 (1mg to 2mg)
    Day 15 (1mg to 2mg)
    Day 16 (.5mg to 1mg) (you can stop at this point if you are ready)
    Day 17 (.5mg to 1mg)
    Day 18 (.5mg to 1mg)
    Days 19 to 21- (.25mg to .5mg) if you can break/cut the pills this small, this low amount will make the wds as mild as possible. A long drawn out taper is not really needed if you are not yet physically addicted to the sub, so feel free to make up your own plan, just try to jump at around the 1mg mark for the easiest overall time. (Short term sub detoxes only)
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    thanks for getting back the subs are working ok its a strange feeling
    the doctor here give me clonex an Valium in case of lack of sleep you take
    the subs long term is the side effects an what are they.

    SD wrote:
    Well its up to you, im not telling you what to do. I was just assuming that you wanted to get clean….

    To me, being clean meant being off all opiates-heroin,methadone,subutex etc…

    If your happy and stable on them then theres no reason why you cant stay on them I guess….

    They’re still a strong opiate though, and although you don’t feel stoned or anything, when you come off them you should notice feeling a lot more alert and emotional for a while at least.

    I came down from 60nls of methadone to 10 then swapped to 8mg of subutex, stabilised for a few days and started reducing, I was only on them for a month i think in total.

    Theyre really not that hard to come off, nothing like metahdone, just get your dose as low as possible before you stop. I hardly felt it. I jumped at something like .2mg I think

    Gd Luck i want to ask you what was it like on the metahdone
    you function ok can you work an did you get cravings an does it fix the head
    the reason am asking you this .am ok on the subs but my wife is sick an maybe she cant use the subs when they start to treat her they will move
    her to strong meds so i want to know what it will be like. cheers

    I know plenty of people who maintain a ‘normal’ functioning life on m’done. It’s just a matter of getting the dose correct so the cravings aren’t there.
    One person I know stared on 60mls a day and reduced himself 1ml a week and voila in 60 weeks he was clean. Knowing that he had a stash in his cupboard always helped him he reckoned.
    A lot of it is in the mind. I’ve forgotten to take my dose many a time and felt nothing but as soon as I remembered the rattle kicked in. Surely that’s proof.

    BTW whereabouts in Israel are you from and is it easy to get gear there.
    Shalom to you bredren.:love:
    I used to work on a kibbutz and a moshav in Israel some time ago.

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