could you explain how the incident in the first post occured physically as it dosen’t make sense to me at all.
firstly if someone takes subutex after it has kicked in other opiates will not work as they cannot attatch to the brains receptors, that dosen’t mean you can’t overdose though as the respiritory effects of depressant are distinct from the highs (s’why peeps can feel straight/not high and still die innit)
the physical reactions you are describing could be because he had loads of opiates in his body then took subutex causing instant withdrawel (the shits etc) but as for the pissing shitting blood thats not through the drug or interaction and you can’t die from withdrawel its just not nice.
he may have had some sort of ulcer/liver/kidney failure prehaps end stage hep C and the stress of withdrawel triggered a total body failure but if this was the case he was as good as dead sooner or later anyway
but there is no way the drugs could cause the effects you describe, sometimes I hear stories like this and iits a coincidence but people then tell it as fact and you end up with myths —like methadone gets in your bones.
subutex is a much safer drug than methadone as you cannot OD on it unless you mix in other stuff and it has been used widely in France with no reported complications.
yes the good info about precipitating withdrawel in this thread is important, luckily using peeps seem more clued up about shit they punp into themselves these days.
