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August 17, 2006 at 11:51 pm

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General Lighting

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Agent Subby wrote:

If you could please insert the not between should and take then I might take note. I am merely stating facts about subutex. It was the personal insults that made me lose it. Anyway if you read the posts clearly it was MOSTLY cliffchuff’s (moderator) post that I was defending. I always take on board your excellent posts on your specialist field, so if you can’t take mine on board on the subject of subutex detoxing then I’m at a complete loss. Maybe it is time for me to find love and support from another forum where my expertise on this subject will be appreciated more.

I think there is a misunderstanding here….

I have never been an opiate addict so I don’t know about the in and outs of detoxing by either substance…

I’m not actually commenting on the accuracy of the use of detox drugs or which are best as I don’t have enough knowledge of this subject!

What I am getting at is that its a shame that both you and wickedwreckage are arguing when you are actually in very similar situation

both of you are people of a similar age and background; (only a few weeks ago I was exchanging messages with wickedwreckage about punks) perhaps only slightly separated by language and cultures….

you both come across as people who no longer want to be on opiates but have different ideas or motivations on how to achieve this.

but instead of people supporting each other we all end up arguing (happens a lot in the alternative lifestyle communities as people have strong personalities)

and whilst we do this and argue with each other dubya and blair (who somehow manage put aside their differences and keep a dubious “special relationship” going) and the mad religious people who convince youths to kill themsleves and others laugh at us, work together, and “make war not love” …. if we divide ourselves along petty lines like this and bicker at each other we are powerless to beat addiction or better our lives….
August 18, 2006 at 1:44 am

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Raj

@raj

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right i have read this bl**dy thread now :mad_curse:mad_curse:mad_curse:mad_curse:mad_curse:mad_curse:mad_curse

What i want to know now is how personal insults are advancing our understanding of what is a potentially lethal problem?

A concern about the legitimacy of the claim is not correctly handled by insulting the people asking the questions:you_smart:you_smart

it should be treated as a genuine question and replied to without jumping to the conclusion it was meant as a personal attack on you; if you get so angry you cant think straight then leave replying to posts until you can think clearly again please – getting angry does not help you communicate with others clearly

WW- you could have started by admitting that it was YOUR personal experience we were discussing here, something which no one actually knew until now

AS – please dont let this be the reason you stop coming to PV – your experience of heroin and detoxing from it is invaluable to others who are reading this forum and i would be unhappy if you stopped being on PV because of this:hopeless::hopeless::cry:

ON THE THREAD TOPIC

i have read the french heroin and opiate addiction literature and while, i can find no notes on this, i did find some worrying stuff on injecting subutex and what it does to the circulatory system which does not exclude this possibility in any way and makes it plausible

it is distinctly possible that the death of a known drug addict would not have caused a postmortem to be performed as it would be attributed to the drug abuse and no further investigation would be made:hopeless::hopeless: and as has been said the results would not necessarily be available even if there were any [think about the time taken to release the postmortem results for princess Diana in the heat of the media glare?]

there were some very irresponsible comments made in this thread which i am about to go and remove as i find them offensive and potentially dangerous and i dont want this site to be linked with them in any way [ think through the consequences before you post next time please]

thank you
raj
August 18, 2006 at 2:32 am

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Ellycat

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wow i thought this was a peaceful forum. the first thread i read is about a drug i’m on because i’m an herorin addict who as managed to get off meth and on to subutex. I never met these 2 people arguing but can i put my 2penneth in plz.
I dont understand what that wicked wreckage person is going on about innit. The other guy called agent suby is talking just like my drug worker. Why doed wreckage keep accusing the other guy of saying that you should mix meth and subutex together? that suby geysor is saying it as it is innit. If u read what agent suby says, he or she says u shouldnt take meth and subutex together. so y does that other guy keep saying he is saying this. everyone knows that you get down to 30mills of meth before u change to subutex. and agent suby says it dead right when u should leave it for as lonl as posible before u take ur 1st subutex. no one i know would mix subutex with herroin or meth cause it doesnt work. i know this cause i tried it once. and wreckage says that if u inject subutex it fuks ur veins up more than herorin. but subutex is not for injecting anyway unless u get it in amps. So hes talking shit because if u inject any drug that u shouldnt inject then its bound to fuk ur viens up innit. Cant understand why that wreckage geyser is dissin subutex cause its stopped me from using smack. Y would anyone in there right mind want to mix anything with subutex anyway? IMO that wreckage bloke was shit stiring. Anyway enuff of my rambling on. but id just like to say a big up to that agent suby cause i can no where hes comeing from. maybe that wickedwreckidge is just jelous or summut innit. i hope theres nomore argueing on here cause my mate told me to come on here to read this agent subys posts to help me. But now hes gone innit.
August 18, 2006 at 2:35 am

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Ellycat

@ellycat

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and tank girl i think that wickedwreckidge was being sarkastic when he said how cute,
August 18, 2006 at 2:37 am

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Raj

@raj

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hiya Ellycat

how is your detox going? anything you would like to share with us?

its usually pretty peaceful around here – normally folks take the time to read posts carefully before going off the deep end:wink:

i am hoping agent subby will come back :bounce_fl:bounce_fl:bounce_fl:bounce_fl

take care
raj
August 18, 2006 at 2:38 am

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Tank Girl

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Ellycat wrote:

and tank girl i think that wickedwreckidge was being sarkastic when he said how cute,

i did get that! :bounce_fl :bounce_g:
August 18, 2006 at 2:43 am

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Ellycat

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its going relly good thank you for asking. I hope that agent suby comes back aswell cause somebody on this forum told me about him. i was hopeing to ask him for advice. someone told me he or she was a top person. why did that wreckage keep winding agent suby up though. do they not get on.
:bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl
August 18, 2006 at 2:44 am

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Ellycat

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Tank Girl wrote:

i did get that! :bounce_fl :bounce_g:

soz. :hopeless:
August 18, 2006 at 2:49 am

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Tank Girl

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Ellycat wrote:

soz. :hopeless:

hey no worries!!!! :bounce_g: :bounce_fl
August 18, 2006 at 2:51 am

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Raj

@raj

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WW is french and does not speak [ok well maybe its read ] english well; if you are translating some of the english we use into french it does not come across the same way [humour, wit etc doesnt change language well in many cases] and he is reacting to what he thinks is being said [which is very likely not what was actually said]

and then it all got very heated :you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy and degenerated into a flame war [personal insults slinging session] after that

its a pretty emotionally charged subject at the best of times :groucho:
August 18, 2006 at 2:58 am

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Ellycat

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i hope he or she comes back to. i’m still on my subutex and its tons better than methadone cause when i was on that i was still using herroin on top. i dont get any cravings to use heroin anymore. can anyone give me agent subys e.mail addres so i can write to him please.

:bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl
August 18, 2006 at 3:01 am

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Raj

@raj

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i would if i had it

:bounce_fl:bounce_fl:bounce_fl:bounce_fl:bounce_fl
August 18, 2006 at 3:03 am

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Tank Girl

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Ellycat wrote:

i hope he or she comes back to. i’m still on my subutex and its tons better than methadone cause when i was on that i was still using herroin on top. i dont get any cravings to use heroin anymore. can anyone give me agent subys e.mail addres so i can write to him please.

:bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl :bounce_fl

just send him a PM he’ll prob pop back and check in some time
August 18, 2006 at 3:07 am

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Ellycat

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i understand what your saying raj but i’ve read them posts and i dont understand what wickedwreckidge is saying to agent suby about how dangrous mixing meth and subutex together. y would anyone want to do that anyway cause the meth dunt work if you do it. and anyway its always dangrous to mix opiates together innit. i think its best if i stay out of it but i hope agent suby comes back cause i’ve bin reading her posts since my mate told me about her. or is it a man.:groucho:
August 18, 2006 at 3:15 am

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Ellycat

@ellycat

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i keep saying him and her cause i dont know wether agent suby or wreckidge are lads or girls. but i’ve just cheked there profile and now i know. did you know its also really hard to OD on subutex cause of the way it works on your recepter thingys. thats another reason y i like it so much to get off herroin because i’ve OD before on herroin and meth.. but not anymore cause i wont to get my life back.

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