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April 23, 2008 at 6:42 pm

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Southcaver

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He looks like he’s struggling, i’ll go get him a jerry can of petrol
April 23, 2008 at 7:33 pm

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Southcaver wrote:

He looks like he’s struggling, i’ll go get him a jerry can of petrol

save me some coz me genni is thirsty at the moment
April 23, 2008 at 8:56 pm

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Tank Girl

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interesting reading Spark,
a thankless job at times-

and I believe teachers should have the right to go on strike as should ambulance / fire / etc as pay conditions are shite
April 23, 2008 at 9:03 pm

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the whole country should go on strike tommorow for as long as they see fit.
April 23, 2008 at 11:41 pm

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globalloon

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i support the strike

not because i think strikes are any good or will achieve anything, but because i think there comes a point where people are treated so shit they should just stop and say “we will not do this for you” even if in the end it’s just to prove a point
and get it out of your system

most teachers are totally disconnected from reality though.. i say that as an adult who knows a lot of teachers, not as someone who was bullied and let down by teachers at school (although that happened to me all through school)
April 23, 2008 at 11:58 pm

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MisterDuck

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globalloon wrote:

i support the strike

not because i think strikes are any good or will achieve anything, but because i think there comes a point where people are treated so shit they should just stop and say “we will not do this for you” even if in the end it’s just to prove a point
and get it out of your system

most teachers are totally disconnected from reality though.. i say that as an adult who knows a lot of teachers, not as someone who was bullied and let down by teachers at school (although that happened to me all through school)

I wouldn’t say most in my experience. Of course a few are awful and totally obsessed with their own authority, but it depends. Where I went to school it was a fucking shithole, and I’m not just saying that. All the things the media says are bad about young people, were actually there. Knives, guns even (although VERY rarely), violence, drugs, arson (there were 5 fires started in 2 years!), riots, we used to have police permanently on site… but because it was a rough school, it attracted teachers there out of choice.

We got teachers who had transferred from better schools to our school specifically because it was rough and they wanted to make a difference. I had a conversation with our old assistant headteacher and he told me he’d transferred as the school he came from was in much less need of help than us.

In my opinion him and many others had exactly the right idea. They were so supportive, and genuinely cared. Most of them were very much latched onto reality – they’d been there, done that.

Having said that, after an awful Ofsted report, we got a right-wing “hard man” for a headteacher. After kicking people onto the fucking scrapheap at 11+, many of the good teachers resigned. He truly didn’t give a shit, happy to fuck over a 12 year old kid and throw them on societies scrapheap.

Primary school teachers tend to be pretty sound, as well.

I think teachers do a good job overall… and it angers me that New Labour tend to be treating education as a business rather than a vital public sector. For example the league tables… the schools with better grades get more money, and schools with worse grades get less.

This kind of Thatcherisation of our education system is fucking appalling. For one thing it means emphasis is placed on getting the best grades possible and leaves out any consideration for those not interested in academics, or not so good at them.

Secondly it polarises the shit schools and happily leaves them to get worse, whereas they should be getting more money for under-achieving, not less. The idea is that taking money away should motivate them to work harder… but in reality that logic is fucked.

It’s worse than Thatcherism in a way because the idea is that under-performing businesses were closed… but you can’t close a major secondary school!
April 24, 2008 at 9:31 am

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globalloon wrote:

most teachers are totally disconnected from reality though.. i say that as an adult who knows a lot of teachers, not as someone who was bullied and let down by teachers at school (although that happened to me all through school)

a hell of alot of folk (usualy middle class) are disconected from reality & whats worse there compleatly happy to be like that.
April 24, 2008 at 11:27 am

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process

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MrAHC wrote:

a hell of alot of folk (usualy middle class) are disconected from reality & whats worse there compleatly happy to be like that.

i dont think you can generalise which class is more disconnected, what about the ignorant working class sun reader? or the upper class toff thinking he is above the law still going fox hunting every weekend? I do agree that they are happy with it tho. Ignorance is bliss as they say…
*edit* ( i was generalising btw i know not all working class people read the sun or all upper class ride horses..)
April 24, 2008 at 12:07 pm

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cathdreadhead

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MrAHC wrote:

the whole country should go on strike tommorow for as long as they see fit.

agreed
April 24, 2008 at 12:21 pm

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process

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im supposed to be on strike today, but i cant afford to loose the days pay. so im being a scab instead. if only they paid me more i could afford to strike against the pay conditions. Catch 22.
April 24, 2008 at 12:21 pm

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DaftFader

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MrAHC wrote:

the whole country should go on strike tommorow for as long as they see fit.

i been on strike for over a year now :bounce_fl
April 24, 2008 at 12:37 pm

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MisterDuck

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To be honest although I do think highly of many teachers (and lowly of some) one of the main reasons I went to the picket lines was ‘cos I’d just watched Brassed Off and wanted to be part of some kind of strike movement thingy :laugh_at:
April 24, 2008 at 12:57 pm

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Tank Girl

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djprocess wrote:

i dont think you can generalise which class is more disconnected, what about the ignorant working class sun reader? or the upper class toff thinking he is above the law still going fox hunting every weekend? I do agree that they are happy with it tho. Ignorance is bliss as they say…
*edit* ( i was generalising btw i know not all working class people read the sun or all upper class ride horses..)

ditto,

generalising is ignorant IMO

people talk about their dislike for people being racist –

but isnt generallising about the class system /teachers the same sort of thing?

judgeing someone for what family they were born in to – what job they choose to do?

there are good and bad in erery one / every type of job-
i.e police – there are good and bad coppers etc

I’m not saying I’m dont sometimes judge people on first meeting them, but I do try to get to know the person before making a difinitive decison……
April 24, 2008 at 1:54 pm

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n.r.g

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my teachers where mostly nuns nuff said really
April 24, 2008 at 2:27 pm

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Well i gave my side.. and thanks for anyone who listened.

Sometimes you have to try and see it from an alternative point of view…thats why I tried to give you a short look at what a day for me was like… mostly a 12 hour day on average, with anything from abusive parents, to abusive children included.

I dont consider myself to be any of those things people have described.

But now that you understand what the work load is actually like, can you sort of see how a teacher might get annoyed when you have people in your class who are

1. Taking away the right of every other child in the classroom to learn when they are really disruptive and silly. How dare you be so arrogant and selfish to think that the class is just for you? there are children and young adults who do want to learn.

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2. When you have been busting your guts planning and making resources working into the night and weekends for a group of individuals who think its ok to behave in way that means the lesson can’t move forward?

I took a risk saying i was a teacher.. I am aware that they are disliked on this forum.
But I thought this forum was for open minded people?
So how come some are so negative as to label everyone in this way?

As I sad there are shit teachers and good teachers. Just as there are shit people from all walks of life and jobs.

I have painstakenly kept my personal life completely separate from my private.. I am a member of this forum and have been under various names since about 2002/3 so the reasons are sort of obvious.

I do actually remember what its like to be young and to believe that everything I thought was right and no one could tell me differently…
How dare you tell me anything, I know it all, is what I really thought back then.

I’m older now… and I look back and I can honestly say I was a right twat.
There are things I have done that make me embarrased more than anything … and I think as you mature you stop being a self centred ego centric wanker.(For most anyway)

I have been really impressed by boothys thoughts… soemone I think who shows a maturity in thinking.. way beyond what his screen age shows.

I guess I’m saying goodbye i think. I just don’t feel that i really belong here anymore. I feel that as a lot of you are so anti teaching and teachers without actually looking to reasons why per se or to actually give a toss as to why a teacher might have responded the way they did to you or others…. I just don’t think i fit in here anymore.

Might tune in to listen to some tunes and play some games.
But for me I dont feel like I belong here in the forum.

Hej då min gammal kompisarna.
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