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  • Hmmmmmmmmmmm. What is that mjeant to be?

    its just an article on bdsm I found, gien all the fuss about 50 shades of grey I thought I would post

    Fuck 50 shades of grey. Its disappointing that so many women are into that (even my mum!) tsk tsk.

    true story; a dude from round my way (IP2, SW Ipswich on SW bank of Tidal Orwell) put in some personal ad for a girl who wanted to try out these techniques.

    Unfortunately it didn’t go so well as they hadn’t arranged safewords; or exactly how far things should go, and the chap used proper nautical grade rope and other accessories. She had been secured with enough slack to operate a GSM phone; with which she texted to her friendds that “she had been trussed up like a dog” and they should call the Constabulary; which indeed happened.

    The chap was arrrested on suspicion of assault/sexual abuse/battery and the case went up to Crown; but the Judge simply said $The case was quashed, and the defendant left Court a free and innocent man. I am deliberately keeping some details sketchy as it is virtually on my doorstep; and I have a feeling I know exactly what chandlery he went to to get the ropes and used to go drinking in the “sailors’ pub” by the docks where I have met the old boy who does the rope tying courses; he might not have intended or expected those skills to be used for such purposes.

    yeah that sounds terrible! I think if you put yourself up for that kind of thing you need to discuss it first.
    lol about the rope tying course tho..I bet he would have been quite shocked had he known!

    @Izbeckistani 588636 wrote:

    Fuck 50 shades of grey. Its disappointing that so many women are into that (even my mum!) tsk tsk.

    theres a lot of fuss about it and I find the debate interesting..I don’t like the fact that bdsm especially female sub is associated with domestic abuse..its totally different

    @pikachops 588652 wrote:

    yeah that sounds terrible! I think if you put yourself up for that kind of thing you need to discuss it first.

    looks like my original message got slightly mangled that is exactly what the Judge (who seemed to be knowledgeable enough about the subject :laugh_at:) pointed out – as surely by responding to a “personal ad” of that nature (which clearly explained what might be going on) such treatment would surely be expected?

    Unfortunately there are a lot of abuse cases in the same area and also amongst supposedly middle class couples in the surrounding rural areas so coppers on arrival at scene are always taught to assume worst case scenario.

    yes, I’m not condoning any kind of abbuse of course like yourself, but I do think people react very badly to bdsm activities,I mean it’s still really unacceptable hence the fuss about 5o shades. Its just a film, probably the secretary is a better film, I havn’t seen 50 shades yet,i’ve read the book. What’s interesting to me is female sub always seen as weak and disepowered in life by hardcore campaigners..theres going to be domestic violence protests outside the film etc and hardcore feminist objectors..this is a bit crazy to me when there are real cases of abuse far worse and this is just a film exploring an aspect of sexuality, female subs can be really powerful in ‘real’ life yet enjoy the whole sub for master thing..anyway I’m sure I’m posting what you already know .

    TBH I don’t think this issue is limited to gender either; although I’m straight but open minded and thus have a few gay friends; they are “out and proud” but even they don’t like to talk about BDSM.

    Especially as portrayed in domestic media, It has that stigma of links with the 1950s educational and correctional environments (especially when it involves the use of corporal punishment) It may be a British / Commonwealth problem interlinked with the sheer number of historical abuse cases in the news at the moment; I get the feeling that in the 1970s everywhere else in Europe dealt better with the risk of abuse and ensured genuine abusers ended up in prison.

    yes its still really taboo, my friends and I talked openly about it last night as there is a new club in Brighton that we can go to,not to do anything but just to mix with like minded people..I do recall a case of gay men doing something to their cocks and it being consensual but they still got prosecuted under some law, the case was reported in skin two a few years ago. I think the corporal stuff does freak many out and a person is seen as a deviant not to be trusted etc

    @pikachops 588967 wrote:

    theres going to be domestic violence protests outside the film etc and hardcore feminist objectors..this is a bit crazy to me when there are real cases of abuse far worse and this is just a film exploring an aspect of sexuality,QUOTE]

    Firstly, stories like this AFFECT society. Media plays a huge role in shaping peoples opinion. If you have a problem with rape and abuse, then have a problem for stories like this that play a role in perpetrating it.
    Secondly ‘real cases of abuse far worse than this’ DO you mean the abuse in 50 shades? Because the abuse in that book is actually horrendous.

    Lets make a few points clear.

    1. BDSM is consensual, it is the informed consent between people who take different power roles for sexual pleasure.
    2. in 50 shades, there is frequently non consensual sex, making it rape and abuse porn. *
    3. Rape and spouse abuse is a big problem, it rarely ends with the abuser facing prison time.
    4. 50 shades is widely sold, with no age requirement or warning label.

    “The Dominant reserves the right to dismiss the submissive from his service at any time and for any reason. The submissive may request her release at any time, such request to be granted at the discretion of the Dominant…”

    That there is NOT BDSM.

    50 shades is rape porn, yet it sells under the guise as romance/BDSM.
    The means that the many people reading the book, see abuse and interpret it as romantic.

    This is a problem as its where most rapists and abusers get away with crimes. They manipulate the victim to believing that they are NOT being raped and abused – meaning the victim doesn’t end up reporting it (and often when they do nothing happens anyway)

    You say actual abuse and rape is more of a problem in this world compared to a book, well – the book IS part of that problem. The media plays an important role in shaping how we as a society act. When you change the media, you change society.

    For the note – if women want to get off on rape fantasies, that’s their prerogative. But the content they read needs to be correctly labelled for what it is.

    Heres some examples of rape/ abuse in 50 shades:

    • Grey ‘warns’ ana about himself, then proceeds to send her gifts.
    • She drunk dials him in a club, he demands to see her and she refuses to tell him where she is. SO he TACKS her mobile, tracks her location and gets her.
    • He threatens her by saying ‘if you were mine, you wouldn’t sit down for a weak after that stunt you pulled last night” (the stunt that is going to a club with her mates, also this is before he has talked about being into BDSM)
    • He takes her home to his bed when shes black-out drunk, instead of arranging for her to get home safely.
    • He knows where she lives before she’s even told him.
    • Getting her to sign a contract, without fully disclosing what the sex would entail, the contract also forbids her to tell friends about it.
    • He has no consideration for her emotional or physical wellbeing when he takes her virginity. He just fucks her really hard whilst she screams out in pain.
    • He tells her shes a possession ““Every time you move tomorrow, I want you to be reminded that I’ve been here. Only me. You are mine.”
    • Gets angry when she talks to a male friend.
    • After she sees this contract he writes up, she emails him to say it was nice knowing him, but shes not interested. So, he breaks into her appartent with an aggressive demeanour. Ana describes how scared and intimidated she is to the reader.
    • Actual rape. He tries to seduce her, she says ‘no’ to which he replies ‘if you struggle I will tie you up so you cant move’

    I don’t even think that’s a third of the way in the first book (there are three books!) SO that long list up there is only 1/9th of the shadey shit in the whole series. Good lord!

    I wasn’t anyway but now no way am I getting into this.

    well we are still going to dress up and go to that night judgements or not, 50 shades fuss or not and I have been in domestic violence thing myself, it is really important that people express themselves consensually without abuse of course.

    Dress however you like, try not to violently rape any1 tho plz.

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