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  • To all you recreational drug users and dealers out there, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is listening. Well actually, it’s the NSA that’s listening and watching. But Reuters has uncovered a secret DEA unit that uses the information collected by NSA surveillance programs to launch criminal investigations of Americans—primarily drug dealers who pose no threat to national security—and then cover up where the investigation originated from by recreating it using normal investigative techniques:

    …documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin – not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges.
    The undated documents show that federal agents are trained to “recreate” the investigative trail to effectively cover up where the information originated, a practice that some experts say violates a defendant’s Constitutional right to a fair trial. If defendants don’t know how an investigation began, they cannot know to ask to review potential sources of exculpatory evidence – information that could reveal entrapment, mistakes or biased witnesses.

    Domestic Law Enforcement Is Using NSA Intercepts To Prosecute Drug Offenders | Dispatches from the Underclass

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A secretive U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration unit is funneling information from intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records to authorities across the nation to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans.

    Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

    Guess I should I find this a little upsetting as the UK will indeed follow suit no doubt, if it hasn’t already. But secrecy and privacy don’t really exist anymore thanks to the big brother society we live in. Fuck it! I’m blatant in all my actions (legal and illegal) as acting shifty will likely only draw more attention to yourself than looking like you blend in.

    Also life is so fucking expensive and repetitive that if I found myself in prison I doubt if I’d really feel at all that punished, perhaps even protected. Plus it’s a free roof and food with no bills. Almost appeals to me actually.

    the UK was already like that for many years as were most EU countries (where the Post Office controlled every form of communication and intercepts were done everywhere without warrant or accountability, as whoever has physical access to a telephone exchange can easily put in intercepts). European countries are also physically smaller and therefore far easier to monitor. UK Government still had controlling shares in British Telecom well into the 1990s, intercepts were done basically on the say so of senior officers at Government and BT. Similar arrangements existed in most nations, even the Northern European nations often viewed as more liberal and tolerant.

    There is for instance a website called “broken seals” which discusses the interception of communications in Denmark well into the 1960s.

    The USA have less protection against entrapment and far more use of informants (which is why a lot of Americans freak out at the thread saying they are a cop). It is also a much more divided society and those who believe in right wing views are prepared to stand up for them which makes people much more prepared to inform to the authorities.

    That said, during the Thatcho days when radio amateurs and electronics enthusiasts were often older and more conservative minded (as Thatcho did to be fair provide a lot of them with well paid, secure work via the military industrial complex) it was not at all uncommon for them to listen in to dealers discussing stuff on analogue mobile phones and cordless phone and grass them up (the cops and DTI conveniently ignoring that it was in fact illegal to do this). In some areas there was even vigilanté work with the hams using their radios to talk directly on Police frequencies to the cops (as the equipment was very similar back then).

    Nowadays though todays radio hams and electronics enthusiasts in Europe seem to be are a lot more liberal minded and a great number seem to be pro decriminalisation – at least provided they have an interest in music and arts (its the ones who do not you have to watch out for, they can be very dangerous.

    What is however far more a problem in Britain at this moment is not big lumbering bureaucratic institutions or mega surveillance programmes (which generate as much chaff/noise as intelligence) but use of private investigation companies by public sector organisations and also small numbers of determined, focused investigators within these. Consider that for 30 or more years one old man in Britain managed to keep a major blacklist of all union activists within the construction industry, using manual paper based filing methods and thus eluded detection for ages. it really only takes a few people to gather the info and pass it on to the right people.

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