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  • This is worse than medieval times or even animal behaviour :hopeless: no male mammal willingly and cold bloodedly kills its own offspring (its obviously counterintuitive to survival)

    WTF is going on ? What is worse is that I thought the reports were the same case but there have been two such incidents in our region..

    I find it hard to believe this is ignorance as most teens do know where babies come from, youths supposedly have access to a lot of resources, parents/grandparents are way more tolerant these days even if their kids do get pregnant and I am aware of a fair few local youths who have become young parents and yet are doing really well…

    What is most worrying is the young age of these people, this sort of thing normally happens with older couples (20s-40s) where the dad just loses it often due to money worries or a relationship breakup..

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    A TEENAGE couple killed their newborn baby hours after a secret birth, a court was told today.

    The pair, who met on the internet, appeared at Ipswich Crown Court today to deny murder.

    http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/content/eveningstar/news/story.aspx?brand=ESTOnline&category=News&tBrand=ESTOnline&tCategory=News&itemid=IPED09%20Jul%202008%2014%3A10%3A39%3A860

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    A TEENAGER is facing a life sentence after he was convicted of murdering his girlfriend’s 11 month old baby.

    http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/news/story.aspx?brand=EADOnline&category=News&tBrand=EADOnline&tCategory=News&itemid=IPED09%20Jul%202008%2016%3A16%3A13%3A153

    Just shows you there are some sick motherfuckers in this country. Honestly killing a newborn baby? How fucking low is this??? I suppose the liberals will deflect the blame and say it isn’t their fault. This country is sick. :you_crazy

    DJCliffy;226073 wrote:
    Just shows you there are some sick motherfuckers in this country. Honestly killing a newborn baby? How fucking low is this??? I suppose the liberals will deflect the blame and say it isn’t their fault. This country is sick. :you_crazy

    What is even worse if the Suffolk couple “met on the internet”, they clearly had at their fingertips all the resources to get help. It took me three clicks from the Google start page to get the emergency number for Social Services.

    Further investigation shows the Norfolk baby was killed by a lad who wasn’t the baby’s father, and there was a nasty racial element and possibly the baby being used as a way fo getting back at her real father who clearly didn’t treat the girl well (or she wouldn’t have been in a womens refuge!)

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    Prosecutor Christopher Morgan showed the court a picture drawn by the defendant, who was not Ruby’s father. Across it he had scrawled the words “Ruby in hell” indicating, Mr Morgan said, his attitude of disdain towards the baby.

    Residents at the Yarmouth women’s hostel where Spink lived with Ruby told police how the couple handled the baby roughly. They would call her a “tramp”, “skank” and “monkey”, referring to her mixed race origin. At the time of Ruby’s death, the defendant was banned from visiting because of concerns over his behaviour.

    Also the girl was now pregnant by the second bloke. Now this is animal behaviour (males do try in some species to eliminate competition in this manner including killing other males offpsring) and was a problem in ancient times but is not acceptable in modern humans..

    However this area traditionally has many young parents whom despite hardship do the best they can for their children and this started happening in my generation (the “summer of love/early rave scene” produced a lot of unplanned pregnancies!)

    Also I expect people will blame the social workers when the harsh reality is they are often overloaded with many similar cases but can’t exactly put 24/7 surveillance on certain couples..

    and however rubbish sex education is, its way easier to get accurate info on it than even in my day and I grew up as things became more liberal in this country..

    Looks like babies/children are now the next “throwaway commodity..”

    Thats shocking and really sad :hopeless:

    it is societys, government & schools fault, they put all these pressures on teens to become adults before there time & this is what happens. Kids having kids trhere shagging at 13 -14 now in my day it was more likely to be 18.

    Dont ask kids to be responsible then blame them for not being. its an extreem case but its sick society thats to blame.

    thats shocking i had my oldest at just 18 and he has autism i had 3 boys at 23 and i can,t imagine ever being without them i,d sooner kill then let them be harmed i just don,t get how anyone one can do that. and their dad loves them more then life its self

    Couldn’t (and don’t want to) even imagine my son dying, let alone killing him myself…

    It isn’t a lack of help that ended with the first baby being killed (the one with the secret birth) – there is plenty of info and help with prevention first, and if that fails then abortions are legal in this country (and can be done on the NHS).

    And as for the unevolved racist tosser in the other story – makes me question my opinion on the death sentence seriously (I wouldn’t ever support the death penalty, but this one required a few deep breaths and a reminder of why I don’t :annoyed: ). Dude should be neutered though, and the woman spayed (and yes the terminology is on purpose – they have both behaved like animals).

    I’m a liberal btw Cliffy, and I certainly don’t think the blame should be deflected to “society” or somesuch bollox :annoyed:

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    noname;226255 wrote:
    I’m a liberal btw Cliffy, and I certainly don’t think the blame should be deflected to “society” or somesuch bollox :annoyed:

    That’s where we’ll differ mate. I think ‘society’ is in parts to blame for alot of today’s ills. But then again liberals don’t ever see it. Not your fault mate you’ll see it soon.

    DJCliffy;226389 wrote:
    That’s where we’ll differ mate. I think ‘society’ is in parts to blame for alot of today’s ills. But then again liberals don’t ever see it. Not your fault mate you’ll see it soon.

    Wasn’t talking about any other of todays ills – just these 2 cases specifically. The problems with the world (or country), and who or what is responsible for them is a much longer and far more difficult to answer question….

    You’re right though, I consider myself a liberal and I don’t see how society is to blame for the country’s problems – strikes me as one of those nice catch all phrases thats useful for turning the worlds ills into a them and us situation. And tbh I’m not really interested in working out who is to blame anyway – that question is ultimately useless unless it’s an essential part of fixing the problem. Don’t really consider that a fault I’m afraid…..

    Unless of course by society you mean all of us (the reference to liberals makes me doubt this was the meaning), in which case I do see the point – we are all ultimately responsible for how our society works – even the parts we didn’t actively create or agree with. If we allow them in the society we live in, we have given them our tacit approval….

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