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August 9, 2011 at 6:03 am

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Another repost from indymedia;

DON’T PANIC :: DON’T TALK

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If you think that you might be identified from photos or footage from recent events, then here’s some advice….

DON’T panic. The photos released are not necessarily evidence. Just because the police have a blurry photo that might be of you doesn’t mean they know who you are.

DON’T Hand yourself in. The police often use the psychological pressure of knowing they have your picture to persuade you to “come forward” when they don’t know who you are or have any evidence against you.

DON’T assume that because you can identify yourself in a video, a judge will be able to as well. “That isn’t me” has got many a person off before.

DO get rid of your clothes. There is no chance of suggesting the person in the video is not you if the clothes they are wearing have been found in your wardrobe. Get rid of ALL clothes you were waring when you were out, incluing YOUR SHOES, your bag and any distinctive jewellery you were wearing at the ttime.

DO keep a low profile for a while. The police will be on the look-out at other demos for people they have put on their “wanted” list.

DO think about changing your appearance. Perhaps now is a good time foa make-over. Get a haircut and colour, grow a beard, wear glasses.

DO keep your house clean. Get rid of spray cans, demo related stuff and dodgy tests/photos on your phone. Don’t make life easy for them by having drugs, weapons or anything else illegal in the house.

DO be careful who you speak about this to. Admit your involvement ONLY to people you really trust. Be very careful what you say on the internet.

DO try and contrl the nerves and panic. Waiting for a knock on the door is stressful in the extreme, but you need to find a way to get on with life as normal. Otherwise you’ll be serving the sentence before you know it.
August 9, 2011 at 6:08 am

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here is a original flyer;

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also from indy media;

Don’t panic – don’t talk – new poster – UK Indymedia
August 9, 2011 at 10:11 am

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Google Riot Maps …

London riots / UK riots: verified areas – Google Maps
August 9, 2011 at 1:10 pm

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sinner69

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BBC News – Live: England riots
August 9, 2011 at 2:40 pm

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UK riots: your pictures | UK news | guardian.co.uk
August 9, 2011 at 5:28 pm

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Its allegedly coming to the suburbs…

my local town in battening down the hatches – didnt think it’d be too long –

there is often burnt out cars in the road behind mine. and the local sweet shop was ‘looted’ by about 10 kids last year, they now have to have security camera and the shop keeper and 2 other staff in there every night…..
August 9, 2011 at 6:54 pm

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When it starts to kick off in the rest of the country they(police) decided they concentrate their forces in London!?! It started yesterday so they cant say they havent been warned. Those in charge are not the ‘sharpest knives’ in the cutlery, are they?

Mark Brown of the Guardian who is has been in touch to report that it is quiet in Hackney but that it is “slightly bizarre watching Greater Manchester police vans on London streets given what’s going on in Salford.
August 9, 2011 at 7:04 pm

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@!sinner69! 446973 wrote:

When it starts to kick off in the rest of the country they(police) decided they concentrate their forces in London!?! It started yesterday so they cant say they havent been warned. Those in charge are not the ‘sharpest knives’ in the cutlery, are they?

Its only big cities where there are problems and they have kept back cops for looking out for this.

I live on a not very “nice” estate and went to buy food just now at a big supermarket and there was a good natured multicultural crowd there as usual, not one policeman and a single security guard. The most aggressive thing I encountered today was a tom kitten, who glared at me whilst I was using my blackberry (i was in fact speaking to my mum), as I had crossed into his territory. I couldn’t even meow at him like I normally do as I was laughing so hard :laugh_at:
August 10, 2011 at 7:52 am

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August 10, 2011 at 3:48 pm

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That guy was in the Newsnight studio the other day and he was saying pretty much the same thing.

I agree that teenagers do have plenty to be angry about nowadays (lack of jobs/future, education being sold down the river etc) but I don’t think the riots have much to do with that. Teenagers just like smashing stuff up. I remember when I was about 15 we used to get up to all kinds of stuff, breaking things around town and filming it in ‘jackass’ videos. I was intelligent enough to realise the impact this had on my community, but at that age I really didn’t care because I was a little shit, full of aggression and a need to impress my mates – I’d have fully deserved to be arrested for it. Eventually I grew out of doing things like that. I’d like to think that I wouldn’t have got involved in things like stealing from local businesses and rioting though but who knows.

I think these riots are little more than a minority of kids acting like little bastards and I have no sympathy for them or any made-up ’cause’ that they are using to justify their actions. That said, I’d like to see what some of these kids have to say for themselves – none of the news channels seem to have asked them (apart from those two girls who said they’d been drinking all night and came up with some half-arsed excuse about fighting the rich). Instead we just hear from random political commentators and journos who’s job it is to attach meaning to what’s going on.
August 10, 2011 at 4:10 pm

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@cheeseweasel 447031 wrote:

I think these riots are little more than a minority of kids acting like little bastards and I have no sympathy for them or any made-up ’cause’ that they are using to justify their actions. That said, I’d like to see what some of these kids have to say for themselves – none of the news channels seem to have asked them (apart from those two girls who said they’d been drinking all night and came up with some half-arsed excuse about fighting the rich). Instead we just hear from random political commentators and journos who’s job it is to attach meaning to what’s going on.

thats because they’ve attacked several journos and tried to rob their cameras. So they are hardly going to be given a platform to speak to the media without appropriate security procedures.
August 10, 2011 at 4:12 pm

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why is everyone blaming kids? I bet there’s just as many adults out there. something goes wrong and everyone jumps at blaming the youth.. its obviously nothing to do with politics. I’m furious at the government because I’m not looking forward to paying £70k+ for my degree, as are some of my friends but the protests for that have been and gone. the people on the streets (who are probably a big mixture of ages) are trouble makers and opportunists. I doubt they’re all kids who are angry at the lack of jobs, etc.
August 10, 2011 at 4:29 pm

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So far most of the people nicked by metpol are under 45 and these days “young people” are anyone from high school age to their mid 40s, as people live longer and settle down later in life. There are some as young as 11 but others in their 20s and 30s – but the older ones involved are those who haven’t made anything good of their lives and can only live by thieving.

On my estate there haven’t been any riots and its 80 miles away but that doesn’t mean its paradise – there’s plenty of pondscum around (some who are a few years older than me) but the only reason they aren’t rioting is that they’ve got enough heroin and cheap booze to keep them happy, or some of them begrudgingly hold down a job to keep their current partner and access to their kids (but still slap her around behind closed doors).

Every so often one of them loses it and murders their partner or even a random person or violently robs some place and some part the estate looks like a scene out of CSI – but because its not London and not large groups involved and the people are older it goes unnoticed.
August 10, 2011 at 4:34 pm

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45 is not young, 45 is practically ancient! 😀
August 10, 2011 at 4:44 pm

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About 20-30 years ago it would have been classed as middle age and most people would be settled down with families and be parents but this is way less common today. The new definition of “youth” is used by the media and marketing companies and fits in with fairly recently changing social attitudes.

Many of the popular producers and DJ’s still performing today are older than me! I know loads of people my age and above, particularly men who have no intention of settling down or “growing up”. Girls and women tend to do so earlier, but only often because they end up “left holding the baby” and so have to out of necessity if they don’t want Social Services taking the kid(s) off them..
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