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If the raves whch you are attending are not safe or feel comfortable at simlpe, vote with your feet there might be enough of you to have your own rave with sound folks only(this is a whole other point. )
this is exactly why I no longer party in London or SE England (despite being part of that scene for a large chunk of my life) and why East Anglia’s party scene worked as it does – until even the people here started succumbing to stupidity.
not even always the fault of the feds, people bring problems on themselves through dysfunctional behaviour and TBH I don’t think any large public event in Great Britain is particularly safe any more. I don’t even blame the met for setting up form 696, nor do I think it is racist. If certain “urban” musicians deliberately flock towards a music scene bigging up violence and dysfunctional behaviour and it happens some of them are the same skin colour thats more a coincidence IMO and cops can’t be blamed for racism, nor even for cops taking a “worst-case scenario” and scrutinising all music events.
But I won’t pay ticket prices what contribute to the old bill, I already pay Council Tax for Suffolk Constabulary – thats my duty as a citizen but I’m not paying for other forces operations!
The good times when people genuinely partied together irrespective of race, culture and musical preferences without incident are gone and unlikely to come back for years if at all. the atmosphere at all events I have been to recently ,even dance music events, its more like the mid 1980s before the rave scene ever existed.
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What do you suggest we do ? Keep being scared ,not go to any raves ever again ? Or support the ones (licensed and not ) that do a good job, have an upfor it crowd with proper security.
TBH I’ve not heard of any larger UK events which are any good any more (even if the music/prodcution values are good there is still dark stuff going on in the corners) and the only reason people on sites like PV (which used to be more a free party site) are begrudgingly going to commercial events is that both the authorities and the gangster scum have been so succesful at destroying the unlicensed rave scene.
I don’t like snobbery, but there was a time just a few years ago when people suggesting even going to a Slammin Vinyl event would have been strongly advised to go elsewhere (such as to a free party).
I supported my local scene right up until recently, then some middle aged gangsters from London came and shot up the only remaining venue where we were permitted to have events. Even before that, some of the younger crowd involved were prone to fighting and robbing each other, which fucked up the atmosphere and caused a lot of my mates to be disillusioned. The decline of EA’s unlicensed rave scene (caused by some folks flat refusal to listen to sound advice!) is actually fully documented here in the posts since 2004.
That IMO is a sad indictment on British society as much as any particular fault of the cops, who are unfortunately only doing their job considering that blatant drug use is still illegal and that greedy clubbers are costing the NHS fuckloads of money even at licensed events.
maybe the carefree party scene as we know it was a product of economic good times of the 1980s/1990s/2000s which are gone…. its not a case of being “scared” but making a stand – if people can’t play nicely then perhaps don’t have the right to have the playground any more. There are fuckloads more important issues in the 21st century than just drugs and raves and IMO these now come first for society, and one is communities being able to interact peacefully (which would of course make raves way safer).
And I am being quite serious, if you know of or are planning a good event to keep the details relatively confidential until you are 100% sure of its license or anything like that, especially with things as they are (such as loads of summer festivals getting their licenses cancelled).
