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You know what, I’m sick of all the haters always having a reason to complain about this music and the way I live my fucking life,
I can’t believe these suck-ups from the authorities,
Telling me that my nightlife is to be cut short,
Closing clubs at three instead of five, six and seven,
Not even considering my afterparty on a Sunday fucking morning,
Ha, I’m gonna get mashed up before the sun goes down,
I’m gonna get drunk too quick in the pub,
And I’m gonna pop pills in the lines to the club,
Don’t try to fucking understand me, just let me escape from reality,
Ain’t nobody telling me what to do or what not to do,
This is my life, this is my music, so fuck you!
Nice rant mate
Have to say, Im no anarchist, I think we need the law, but the law should exist to protect people from each other, not to serve the taxman under the BS cover of saving people from themselves.
Party hard well ya can, and dont let anyone tell you it’s wrong
<— Is no Anarch, but…
Common misconception anarchists & Kaoten are the same thing. Anarchists don’t believe in a state of power-vacuum, or civil war if you prefer. Even modern oxymoron anarcho-offshoots like Anarcho-Capitalism believe in some sort of Law & Order concept.
The difference between liberal democracy L&O wank and traditional anarchist conceptions of the same, is basically just that the latter consider it an axiom that Autonomy Ideal (… crappy English, sorry) is both basis and extreme limit of L&O constructs.
So yeah… Not free to blow away your pusher and nick his shit. Also not free to fuck with people because of the drugs they use, the hours they party, the music they listen to, or whatever other victimless kult stuff you can think of.
Whilst I mean no disrespect the original post was about as balanced as the Post Offices bank sheet. Compromise? There must be a way forward that doesn’t upset others. Though how that will happen i dont know. And when you have seen what some partyfolk do to buildings/the local area I can understand the upset.
PS I can’t quote your original text but the end of it makes me want to eat my own brain with a spoon or at best hope you’re as ignorant as I was when I was 17. You repeat that mantra when something fucks up and the nice people with the ambulance come and get you.
@Itsamagicting 508680 wrote:
You know what, I’m sick of all the haters always having a reason to complain about this music and the way I live my fucking life,
I can’t believe these suck-ups from the authorities,
Telling me that my nightlife is to be cut short,
Closing clubs at three instead of five, six and seven,
Not even considering my afterparty on a Sunday fucking morning,
Ha, I’m gonna get mashed up before the sun goes down,
I’m gonna get drunk too quick in the pub,
And I’m gonna pop pills in the lines to the club,
Don’t try to fucking understand me, just let me escape from reality,
Ain’t nobody telling me what to do or what not to do,
This is my life, this is my music, so fuck you!
SHOWTEK FTW!!!!!!!
@Winston Smith 508727 wrote:
Whilst I mean no disrespect the original post was about as balanced as the Post Offices bank sheet. Compromise? There must be a way forward that doesn’t upset others. Though how that will happen i dont know. And when you have seen what some partyfolk do to buildings/the local area I can understand the upset.
Compromise how? If a kult can’t leave your society and your society offers nowhere for it to exist within itself, how can there be compromise at all? Either the kult decides not to exist, or it’s in some degree of conflict with the society that refuses to accommodate it.
@Winston Smith 508729 wrote:
PS I can’t quote your original text but the end of it makes me want to eat my own brain with a spoon or at best hope you’re as ignorant as I was when I was 17. You repeat that mantra when something fucks up and the nice people with the ambulance come and get you.
*Confizzles* who and what you addressing?
EDIT: never mind. Prolly too caught up in all my own inanalienation crap 🙂
Iv never agreed with the theory that ‘you do drugs to escape reality’ drugs are real are they not? as are the sensations they give you.
Im not too fussed with drugs and its quite rare they I touch them…but whos to say ‘your activity’ is more fullfilling than that of a raver?
I think everyone at some point should experience the rave. For all those people to come together and absorb one anothers happiness is quite remarkable.
@Izbeckistan 508806 wrote:
Iv never agreed with the theory that ‘you do drugs to escape reality’ drugs are real are they not? as are the sensations they give you.
Im not too fussed with drugs and its quite rare they I touch them…but whos to say ‘your activity’ is more fullfilling than that of a raver?
in a fair society all activities should be judged on their benefits, costs and risks (to participants and non participants) as to how fulfilling they are – there are always social and resource constraints.
well organised raves are by and large relatively harmless, as is moderate recreational drug use, and are still tolerated in many parts of Europe. My personal experience is society is way more open minded and tolerant than 20 years ago, and where events or activities have been restricted its because they have had negative consequences, whether its excessive noise/drug use, environmental contamination or other social problems.
After all if someone was throwing their trash into the street rather than a bin, or beating a harmless small dog with a stick, no one would tolerate that and they would either try and stop in within a community or if the person refuses to stop their activity, get someone in authority to put pressure on them to stop the bad behaviour..
@General Lighting 508850 wrote:
in a fair society all activities should be judged on their benefits, costs and risks (to participants and non participants) as to how fulfilling they are – there are always social and resource constraints.
Bollox. A truly fair society much acknowledge that it cannot possibly make moral, ethical or value judgements for anyone considered a sane individual
@General Lighting 508850 wrote:
in a fair society all activities should be judged on their benefits, costs and risks (to participants and non participants) as to how fulfilling they are – there are always social and resource constraints.
well organised raves are by and large relatively harmless, as is moderate recreational drug use, and are still tolerated in many parts of Europe. My personal experience is society is way more open minded and tolerant than 20 years ago, and where events or activities have been restricted its because they have had negative consequences, whether its excessive noise/drug use, environmental contamination or other social problems.
After all if someone was throwing their trash into the street rather than a bin, or beating a harmless small dog with a stick, no one would tolerate that and they would either try and stop in within a community or if the person refuses to stop their activity, get someone in authority to put pressure on them to stop the bad behaviour..
I always liked the idea of woods parties but I doubt I will go to any in the future. I mean all those rigs blasting really fuck up wildlife. Think of the poor nesting birds, young trees trampled and no matter how hard you try cigerette butts still get left on the floor.
@dis 508852 wrote:
Bollox. A truly fair society much acknowledge that it cannot possibly make moral, ethical or value judgements for anyone considered a sane individual
it must still make judgements on whether a group activity is a good thing or not (otherwise anything from environmental destruction and animal cruelty to bullying and violence could slip past the net) it is an idealistic and unattainable society anyway.
in a realistic situation someone has to monitor behaviour to judge who is “sane” and therefore there always needs to be some form of security, surveillance and policing.
The unfortunate folk in Norway found to their costs in July 2011 (our UK newspapers as well as Scandinavian media just shown the video where Anders Breivik drives the van with the bomb in to a parking space outside a govt building. I can see from the zooming the guard thinks “something is not quite right here” but they did not have as a strong a security culture as the UK, so before someone could be tasked to investigate the van, the bomb is detonated.
your argument does not address the social and resource constraints either, there is not an infinite amount of resources (ironically its why many well meaning left/green organisations which should know better fall by the wayside)/.
in reality the North European countries the bulk of us live in are the nearest we get to a fair society, (DK, NO, DE and NL being slightly better than the UK albeit with higher levels of taxation). They are not perfect but have a lot to offer folk whilst still offering a larger amount of freedom than many other places. if not, there would not be so many folk wishing to stay in them or to migrate to them.
— John Stuart Mill,
Saying I can’t hold a Catcher in The Rye bonfire in my backyard, or that some more or less or not at all democratically appointed group of wankers are fit to determine what I – fully informed . should or shouldn’t do to or with myself…
That is the definition of constraint.
Freedom – the right to self-determination to the fullest possible extent that it does not infringe on the self-determination of another – that is something very fucking different.
EDIT: Sorry, the definition of an autonomous individual can be argued. Typed this little rand up while you were posting.
“Someone must monitor” – I can only disagree for the most extrem. If anything Breivik examplifies three things: that only with the complete surrender of privacy can such atrocity be maybe, possibly, if the enforcers of the legalcode happen to have time travelling devices, limited more than they can without any surrender of privacy.
That the imposition of a set of values/ideology combined with the literally armed suppression of separatism breeds even more absurd violence than such denial of the concept of free association even requires.
And that unconstrained/fluid populist representation rather than direct creation and recognition of a society’s code creates utterly monstrous farce where a mass-spree-murder terrorist (as the term relates to the existing regime) who should never have been forced into the society and whom the society absolutely has the resources to isolate for perpetuity… Will almost certainly end up being attempted forced back into society within my lifetime.
An argument for or against the ideal of autonomy is not based any more on economic growth potential or commonly accepted wealth concentration or distribution schemes any more than,say, the price of petrol. Whenever you talk about near-entirely evenly distributed impacts in the context of the … thing the original free market capitalists would be turning in their fucking graves to hear it called now… The trick is… Ta-effin-da; even distribution. You really have to move out into outright absurdist caricature before it even can have a meaningful impact to 90% of a current first world population.
. It’s a choice with a universal social impact. But hey, it’s not like the Autonome Ideal can co-exist at all with our current economic system. They’re completely at odds… And fuck me I so cannot speak English right now, I’m really sorry. I keep flailing like fuck to not write like a German Yoda on crack or something.
– Last bit you’re kind of a chilling right about. I live in one of those pt. Not because any of them is a good place to live, but because they’re the least bad.
. Also… I really am not any kind of anarcho-whatevs. Or even vaguely interested. Guess at most I’m just a post lefty sick as shit of seeing just about everyone but me I’ve ever come within a mile of in the druggy drug asshat world were people who fifn’t just get less than I’ve just started getting in Crazy Person welfare. They got 1-fucking-3rd of the absolute minimum possible a native-born AND white no-future jerk-off who isn’t even enough of a mental fucking adult to pit on clean socks every day, could ever get under any circumstances.
I’m more sick of populist scare-tactics-scape-goating at this point that I think I’ll ever be of the sheer fucking idiocy of criminalizing something like 50% of everyone with mental problems just because they really and honestly cannot cause anything other than misery and shitty violence without self-medicating, and rewarding multi-millionaire mass-murdering Rich People Terrorist rings for giving those so disowned just a tiny and fuck-awful kind of chance to live.
@Izbeckistan 508854 wrote:
I always liked the idea of woods parties but I doubt I will go to any in the future. I mean all those rigs blasting really fuck up wildlife. Think of the poor nesting birds, young trees trampled and no matter how hard you try cigerette butts still get left on the floor.
in my areas most crews tried to avoid the nature reserve bits (with varying degrees of success, as they did not always do the correct level of research). the real problems are the balloons left on the floor, people not clearing up after their shit and also keeping the party going too long on Sunday.
it was precisely that what did infringe on others freedom. As silly as it seems, the crowds associated with raves are very intimidating to dog walkers and passers by especially in recent times. It was a bit friendlier in the 90s but I am aware of people being mildy aggressive to non participants – even banter from a drugged up person can be frightening to someone in their 60s who has never come across a rave before…
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