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March 17, 2011 at 5:53 am

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GiantMidget

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I love how students are still going on about how the nasty police shouted at them a bit too loudly during the student protests. Seriously, they should go to the middle east and see how nasty some cops can get. We have the best police force in the world imo.

people in this country are too fucking soft sometimes!!!! :you_crazy

Sorry rant over. Good luck at the rally TG. :love:
March 17, 2011 at 6:38 am

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sinner69

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Are the english bobbies still unarmed, like the norwegian coppers are?
March 17, 2011 at 11:12 am

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General Lighting

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@!sinner69! 425660 wrote:

Are the english bobbies still unarmed, like the norwegian coppers are?

Yes, most of them are. The only armed ones are in special vehicles with yellow dots on each window to identify them (it is a health and safety requirement to protect other coppers!) and they have to shout “STOP! ARMED POLICE!” to warn people they have guns.

In my town (a large English town) out of 9 or 10 patrol vehicles regularly in town only one will contain armed officers, and its usually also a fast response Traffic vehicle so it turns up a lot at road crashes but guns are very rarely even drawn, let alone used.

Even at London they don’t always have armed cops at the airports, only when the security threat level changes.
March 17, 2011 at 1:25 pm

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sinner69

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so it is much like Norway, they have a sealed box in the car and is only to be open on order from HQ or in ’emergency’ but then a commision is set up to investigate so that is seldom used too much paperwork etc. But there is a big but if the situation is like someone is threating with a weapon, then they comes with the full artilry due to the high number of weapons issued in norway they take no chances…..even so weapons are very seldom used with the exception on state-visits or at highten security like you have in uk…

An unarmed police is someway easier to have a dispute or conversation on equal terms …..they just cant do like they do here in dk; clap their guns to show they will use it if….then all communications breaks down , guns and police have never been a solution for keeping the peace for all. Even the police is a public servant and should not go around with the license to kill witch infact what that issued gun sez….
March 17, 2011 at 1:36 pm

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it is exactly the same setup. in fact this same car is used in my town but with UK markings. Our cops in Suffolk get their equipment from the same companies as Scotland Yard (London) Metropolitan Police do, but I think there are companies across the EU which supply each bit of a cop car (or other emergency service vehicle) as a lot of things are now standardised (something the EU have been trying to do for many years).
March 17, 2011 at 1:42 pm

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As for the march – I think its a very good idea to protect public services.

Less good an idea is to let the march be “hijacked” by all sorts of fringe groups which could be counterproductive. I’d rather see a solemn union march of angry working people (yet stopping short of pointless property damage) like the Jarrow Marches than a happy, carnival atmosphere – the message what needs to come across is the cuts lead to misery.

Bear in mind in the UK there is still not a consensus that public services are better than private companies, even for essential things like health and libraries and social welfare, and the public services are (wrongly) viewed by wider society as slow moving, inefficient or folk only encounter them when the “nanny state” is trying to stop them doing something fun…
March 17, 2011 at 1:43 pm

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Garoldeep Singh

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2.5 T5 V70 nice car that, not very good for police use, i’d say the V50 T5 would be better, its got a sportier chassis
March 17, 2011 at 1:50 pm

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sinner69

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Coppers should be issued doc martens and a bike…and a raincoat for normal english weather….and a bucket full of headace pills for to give out to those with hangovers and a battery of big joints to people that do not smile….
March 26, 2011 at 10:49 am

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Goldsword

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@GiantMidget 425658 wrote:

I love how students are still going on about how the nasty police shouted at them a bit too loudly during the student protests. Seriously, they should go to the middle east and see how nasty some cops can get. We have the best police force in the world imo.

When you are at the front a huge crowd and can’t move back for weight of numbers then police come charging at you and whack you on the head with a baton or charge into you with horses then you will know what it is like to face a police over reaction! Watch this it has to be seen to be believed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t244-zEENSs
It is from the G20 protests in the City of London in 2009.
March 26, 2011 at 11:10 am

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GiantMidget

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@Goldsword 427637 wrote:

When you are at the front a huge crowd and can’t move back for weight of numbers then police come charging at you and whack you on the head with a baton or charge into you with horses then you will know what it is like to face a police over reaction! Watch this it has to be seen to be believed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t244-zEENSs
It is from the G20 protests in the City of London in 2009.

I’m not condoning their actions but when you look at police in the middle east then look at ours then they are fucking pussy cats in comparison.

Watched the video. The police looked vastly outnumbered, what would you do if you were one of those coppers? Hundreds of people in front of you, you don’t know if it’s going to turn violent, there only a handful of your colleagues around you (compared to the protesters). The protesters start moving en mass towards you, You fear for your safety cos if it kicks off then the situation will become fubar. They might be coppers but they are also human. I would be fucking shitting myself if hundreds of protesters were massing towards me and I probably would lash out as well.

What would you do?
March 26, 2011 at 11:15 am

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times are actually changing, and even the more psychotic element of coppers can’t guarantee their colleagues will cover up for them like 20-30 years ago.

I’m still wary of demos and large crowds (even including raves these days) but from personal experience I am as much wary of muppets within the crowd stirring things up as the feds. All it takes is a couple of wannabe hard men, either in or out of uniform (and I don’t just mean provocateurs, there are people what seek out for conflict who are not part of any “conspiracy”) and it can fuck up any kind of peaceful gathering for anyone.
March 26, 2011 at 11:21 am

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Southcaver

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March 26, 2011 at 12:01 pm

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GiantMidget

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^^^ I like that, at least he/she is honest! 😉
March 26, 2011 at 12:53 pm

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if it wasn’t for the muppets and the exorbitant cost of trains I’d have been tempted to go on the march.

I’ve worked in both public and private sector and both are required in this country, and doing things like shutting down public libraries is just harebrained.

However I’d want to see a limit on public sector management salaries and more emphasis on developing in house talent than using consultants or recruiting from outside, giving a proper career path to people – a culture of working fairly and efficiently alongside private sector companies when this is unavoidable and not seeing them as a enemy…

Also public sector cuts mean that private companies lose out as well (there are things at work caused by this I can’t talk about for confidentiality reasons but although I’m now in the private sector I don’t gain anything from these cuts, and lose out on services I do use..)
March 26, 2011 at 2:01 pm

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GiantMidget

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I think it’s going to kick off in London soon, Lots of protesters with their faces covered up breaking away from the main body of protesters. Never a good sign. :hopeless:
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