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So, who here doesn’t watch TV and get harassed by TV Licensing?
I get letters once a month from them. They started off nice, saying you don’t have a TV licence, you should probably get one. Now, every letter tells me what to expect when I go to court.
1) They started ‘Dear Occupier’ stating here’s how to get your licence
2) I bought a TV from Curry’s. They grass you in so the letters then had my name on them, for 6 months or so.
3) They revered by to Occupier, but were details on what to expect when I go to court (including I have the right to a lawyer, how nice of them!)
The funniest part to me is sending letters to The Occupier about court action. A court summons to ‘the occupier’ wouldn’t sit too with the magistrate I’m sure.
I don’t watch TV, I have a TV and use it with an Android box and as a second monitor.
They’ve never once been at the door. Not sure what I’d do if they came. Probably not a lot without a warrant, but I’m thinking it would be a laugh to see what they have to say.
I know you can declare you don’t need a licence, but I don’t really want to fill out the inter-personal form on their site.
Has anyone got some funny stories to tell or anything related to this harassment, which I can only call threatening at best. It seems guilty until declared innocent is their ethos.
the rule that TV shops have to notify TV licensing was removed in June this year, and detector vans (rarely used anyway even when the Post OFfice/BT did the job as they were more valuable for tracking down illegal transmissions) aren’t that much use in the digital age as they increasingly will only pick up all sorts else from mains wiring (swamping any local oscillator output leaking from a receiver)
TV licensing (now part of the BBC but with support from Arqiva and Ofcom) do pay people to look in windows for TV sets (I suspect it is freelance work carried out by retired folk over 60 who aren’t seen as out of place wandering the streets, these oldsters are also contracted to warn Arqiva if the TX has packed up at a relay site as there isn’t any other human QC monitoring).
One letter was sent to my work (post digital switchover) about a mid 1990s vintage analogue TV / VHS unit, then used in a training room for playing a particular video tape (I had converted the tape to a digital format and put it on a multimedia PC (with a much better monitor!) but folk still sometimes used it.
This industrial unit is in an obscure place at the bottom of a dip where even Band II (FM) reception is and UHF mobile signals are near non existent. Also the girders and metal roof are all earth bonded, turning the whole thing into a Faraday cage. They also kept phoning the office, until in the end I rang them up, pointed out that not only was this an ancient analogue TV that I’d gladly be rid of were it not used for the training videos (as it becomes another thing I would have to keep working and/or PAT test) even if put an antenna on this site I wouldn’t pick up either Sudbury or Tacleston without a 20m mast as both are still on reduced power, and “you lot have just sent 30 free digiboxes to one of our group companies just up the road for our elderly patients, using the details from the same database” (older people qualify for various discounts and in residential homes its usually a bulk license which covers everyone + communal areas where TV may be watched).
They apologised and never bothered me after that.
TBH I’ve not recently seen any news reports of folk being brought before the beak for not having TV licenses which was a weekly column in the local papers of the 1990s and they need a magistrates or sherrif’s warrant to actually enter a bulding if refused owners consent.
They do accept that since the 1980s TV receivers have been purchased to use as monitors for computers, CCTV cameras and other such equipment simply because they are cheaper than specialist monitors.
Given the effort involved in a prosecution I suspect the only folk who do get any serious hassle off them are those who are regularly watching live TV, can afford to pay for a license but refusing to do so as a “protest” against poor quality programmes (which of course begs the question of why they are still viewing TV in the first place!)
My house is licensed as the TV is often watched when my mum visits, I occasionally do monitor the BBC News Channel and Al-Jazeera and am aware that a proportion of it does actually go towards some useful stuff like BBC radio services, the tech info they now share online, and assistance to community radio stations. Going by watched TV programmes alone it works out as about £3 per cat using “The Secret Life of the Cat” documentary as a benchmark, which is an expensive cat video compared to youtube but better quality (at least from the HD cams) and cheaper than feeding a real one for a week, it did have some decent science content and a good few funny bits (especially when they showed the plain vehicle that contained the HD camera operators for covert filming (same type used by news crews in hostile operating situations where they don’t have military backup), every cat in the neighbourhood sussed it out and glared at it..
A lot of other countries have (sensibly) abolished the TV license and funded public service broadcasting through normal taxation (VAT or the national equivalent is charged on the sale of new TV equipment) even if it means downsizing some content and/or openly admitting that certain channels are state controlled rather than pretending they are independent.
I saw a ‘crazy laws’ program, which was American. One of the facts was ‘In the UK if you buy a TV you have to buy a license for it’ – amusing
I’m generally all for what the BBC provide. No least as in America they don’t have advert-free channels. The question is should I feel guilty for watching Top Gear on iPlayer. I think the answer is no. They make a fortune from licensing fees to other countries and various merchandise. I make the assumption this is greater than the cost of making it, which might be nieve, I really don’t know. I like Radio 6 Music too, so it all adds up to the moral question if regardless of the law (which is directly related to watching Live TV) should include BBX radio and iplayer. My prediction is over the next 5 years people will watch less and less Live TV and instead watch recorded programs and on-demand content. I wonder how much it affects advertising as everyone obviously fast-forwards the adverts when using modern set top boxes.
We’ll see what happens I guess.
Here’s how you deal with them to get 6 years peace and quiet;-
1) Phone them up (the number is on the envelope) and say “I don’t have TV reception. Please visit to verify that I am not required to buy a license”. Free UK phone usage – visit any branch of Job Centre Plus.
2) When they visit, politely show them around, demonstrate that you don’t need a TV license. You must show that you do not have internet access (points to empty cable socket and phone socket, also coax cable with no connector).
3) After 6 years you will fall off the end of their database. Repeat steps 1 and 2.
4) Alternatively, just keep recycling the paperwork. It’s actually more work than phoning them up and arranging a visit. But you have the right to do more work than necessary, if you want.
The website says it’s now 2 years not 6, presumably because with rental properties as the tenant cycle is greater than home owners.
I would invite them round, but I don’t want random people (they work for a private company) walking about my home.
I wonder if they see the massive antennas on the roof for amateur radio puts them off. I’m licensed by ofcom for those. Who knows, they ain’t been at my door once. Maybe if I phone and disclose not having a TV they’ve more incentive to come round for coffee and a night watching iplayer.
Well, in that case, next time I’ll be responding with a list of my fees for arranging a home visit.
£2,000 would seem to be about the going rate (excluding VAT of course).
haha loving it! I can’t remember the details but someone agreed out of court for fees of a cold calling company to pay for his time answering the phone.
2k for an on-site visit sounds about right, based on the terms of 1 day minimum charge for a face to face visit.
Well, I charge 50K for an interview where they can actually ask me questions, but all they are asking for is demonstration of not requiring a license.
Further details on this approach to dealing with demands for money out of court (breach of the Bill of Rights 1689, “No fine or forfeiture without recourse to a court” can be found at;-
Get Out of Debt with Get Out Of Debt Free – getoutofdebtfree.org <- England and Wales only. Scottish law is beyond my ken.
50k wow you’re not cheap.
I’m sure I can make agreeable terms with them. That being said my guess is they won’t agree if their loss of revenue exceeds their turn over from the annual contract with me.
At the end of the day they are selling a product. Never accept the initial offer. I’d possibly agree with £40 a year though. Some haggling may be in order. If we can’t come to an agreement I’m not interested. Don’t want to price myself out the ‘market’.
As long as your TV can’t be seen from a window on the outside edge of your property, they can’t do shit.
They have no legal recourse to enter your house unless they are invited in. There are scripts of what to say to them on youtube.
They will then report back to their office to say that you are being evasive, this is the point that you write them a letter (scripts are on the net), once they acknowledge your letter, they can’t touch you for five years.
Of course this only works if you can’t actually see a TV from outside the property. If you have it in full view of a big window, you’re screwed.
As for the shops making you fill in the form. How do they know it was not purchased as a present?
they’re a private company that want to sell you their product, they dont have any special rights and you don’t need to give them any information. if they contact you, tell them you’re hourly rate for your time
Get your video camera out. Remind them you are allowed to film all contact as its your property and you reserve all right of implied access. However this dosnt help if they can see your TV through your window standing on the pavement haha.
And ofc, be polite, ive seen many a video of people mouthing off to TV licencing, their just doing their job like you do yours!
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@know_hope 557772 wrote:
if they contact you, tell them you’re hourly rate for your time
Genius :love:
@MadPsy 557751 wrote:
50k wow you’re not cheap.
It’s the going rate for a reclusive eclectic genius. It’s pretty unlikely I’ll get paid very often but that’s cool, so long as I don’t get hassled very often I’m happy.
I’ll do it for £5k!
Oh yeah, some evidence this shit actually works (conditional agreement where you get more money than them, so they don’t want to go to court);-
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