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doesn’t surprise me one bit…
worst part of it is that the militant muslim groups are just as much up for a fight and the right-wing groups also know how to make and deploy bombs
its becoming another macho fantasy for the angry young men of this world, which could really get bad if the community as a whole doesn’t stop it…
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Far right and football gangs plot ‘revenge’[/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Anti-Muslim websites monitored[/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif] Hugh Muir
Friday July 15, 2005
The Guardian[/font] [font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Plans by an alliance of rightwing extremists and football hooligans to exact “revenge” on Muslims after last week’s bomb attacks are being monitored by police. [/font][font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The Guardian has learned that extremists are keen to cause widespread fear and injury with attacks on mosques and high-profile “anti-Muslim” events in the capital. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Football hooligans communicating over the internet have spoken of the need to put aside partisan support for teams and unite against Muslims. Hooligans from West Ham, Millwall, Crystal Palace and Arsenal are among those seeking to establish common cause. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]As part of wider plans to generate a backlash, rightwing groups such as the Nationalist Alliance and the National Front are said to be planning marches. Extremists hope to hold a march along Victoria Embankment in London tomorrow. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]It is also known that many mosques have received bomb threats since the attacks. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Attempts by the right to make capital out of the tragedy have created a powderkeg. Already extremist Islamist websites have told Muslims to be ready to retaliate. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The BNP sought to capitalise on last week’s atrocities in its byelection literature in Barking, Essex, by reproducing a picture of the bombed No 30 bus with the headline Maybe Now it’s Time to Listen to the BNP. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]But the tactic backfired last night when Labour trounced the BNP, winning the Becontree byelection with 1,171 votes. The BNP received 378. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The BNP’s tactic prompted cross-party condemnation. Though it was designed to increase support for the far-right, many believe the message may have been too crass and too badly timed to work. The party does, however, enjoy some support in the area. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Gerry Gable, of the anti- fascist organisation Searchlight, said: “There is no doubt that the far-right are playing this for all they think it is worth. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]“If you look at the BNP website there’s Nick Griffin saying ‘be calm’ and other material saying ‘don’t get angry, get even!'” [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]He added: “These things should be taken seriously. One site, Blood and Honour, had a posting about a mosque in the Wirral and soon after the mosque was hit. Soon after, the posting was taken down.” [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The police have pledged to crack down on any attempts to provoke division in the aftermath of the bombs. Members of Scotland Yard’s independent advisory group have been asked to liaise with borough commanders in the capital to reassure the public and make sure the police carry out their pledges. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The Met has said from the outset that the bombs were an attack on all communities and that none should be scapegoated. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The synergy between rightwing extremists and football hooligans is not new. Throughout the 1980s, some of the biggest clubs in Britain were plagued by notoriously violent and racist followers. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Though virtually all clubs have since challenged the behaviour of extremist fans, and almost all now belong to the Kick Racism Out of Football initiative, violent followers continue to communicate with each other and supporters from other clubs to engineer confrontations. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The prospect of the opening day Championship fixture between Leeds and Millwall in August is already causing concern.[/font]
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where-ever you see racism, hate or snide politics,
smash it
Searchlight have groups all over the country
it’s not hard to get involved and show that you want a society that treats people equally… just remember that the war against facism is on-going
i don’t think everyone should be treated equally. supporters of the bombing should not be treated equally, they should be told to get out of the uk or shut the fk up!
this country is far to namby pamby left wing when it comes to issues like this and this is the consiquence !!!
and don’t get me wrong, i’m all for freedom of speech but when someone is insighting hatred towards others then this surely should not be allowed….
too namby pamby???
we invaded Iraq based on the (bullshit) premise that it was to stop supporters of trrrr… not exactly a namby pamby course of action! :omg_no:
most the people directly responsible for the bombings on 7th July are dead, and anyone that helped them will be locked up for a very long time
saying that people should be made to get out of the uk suggests to me that you are blaming people from outside the uk, but the bombers were British born (all but one I think)… so where should they be made to go?
and don’t get me wrong, i’m all for freedom of speech but when someone is insighting hatred towards others then this surely should not be allowed….
what about inciting hatred of mad bombers? how would you word the legislation? couldn’t it be used against dissenters of the govt to oppress people?
i know what you mean, but it’s a very difficult situation – without regressing our constitution by about 100 years, this kind of law couldn’t come about
namby pamby – as we have let people preach hatred toward our own country from within for too long, whether they are british born or migrants that have made britain their home. If they hate our way of life so much why do they continue to live here? Where should they go, I can’t answer that, maybe to the countries that they are fighting for.
I have always thought that the war in Iraq was totally un just, as did the majority of the British public. The same British Public that are being targetted by these cnts. Why kill inocsent members of the public when there are plenty of government buildings to hit? The war in Iraq was aimed the Iraqy military, not the Iraqy civilians all though it has now been confirmed that at least 25,000 civilians have lost their lifes. Letting off a bomb on the underground is slightly different to aiming a misile at a military installation and missing. Maybe the victims are both inocsent but the intentions were totally different.
I am blaming people from outside of the UK. The British bombers were home grown but their beliefs are most deffinately not.
UK Government and businesses (particularly universities) have not been so much “namby-pamby”, but greedy IMO…
most of the muslim militants were known about in the early 1990s and were trying to recruit disaffected British Asian youth back then, particularly in colleges and universities.
TBH their gangs were just that – criminal gangs, who would use the smokescreen of “religion” but were also involved in stuff like high value car theft (to re-sell the vehicles over in Middle Eastern countries).
They would actually study hard but use their IT knowledge for criminal stuff like credit card fraud and “grubbers” (a device used to override vehicle security systems by generating multiple access codes). it is hardly surprising that they have since progressed to making and deploying IEDs.
The university staff knew about this, but they and the authorities often did nothing as these scum were from rich families in the Middle East (as are most of those who groom the sucide terrorists) and were often fee-paying foreign students. (its curious how rich families get through immigration even when their records are questionable).
And for all their pseudo-intellectualism, they did not shy away from working with smackheads, street muggers and other men of violence to obtain cards, vehicles etc…
IMO they should have been nicked back then and put out of the country (or in prison if they were UK citizens); but Thatcher, Major’s and Blairs mob didn’t and don’t want to jeapordise lucrative business connections their other relatives bring to the UK (such as “infrastructure regeneration”, military equipment , IT projects deals). John Major is now a director of companies with substantial business interests in the Middle East.
Remember though that when dealing with extremism there are two sides to every coin..
from wikipedia….
he 2005 attacks were the first terrorist killings in London since 30 April 1999, when the neo-Nazi David Copeland nailbombed the Admiral Duncan pub in Soho in a homophobic attack, killing three people and an unborn child.
there have been a few more potental incidents, including a potential attempt to detonate IEDs at the Notting Hill Carnival, luckily for Britain they have mostly been foiled before anything really bad happened.
and even if we had a “better” government we could guarantee there would still be angry people who would try terrorism.
and what about the OAP scum (“normal” white people) who hassle girls and their partners outside British abortion clinics in London? IMO they should also be arrested for harassment (they actually pounce on the girls after their abortions, this kind of mental intimidation is IMO totally unacceptable even if it is from an elderly person)
Extremists of any colour and from any part of the world have no place in progressive modern society…
but how the hell do you legislate against extreme views?
let people say what they like, I say
it’s actions that you can lock people up for
like that hook handed bloke
let him say what he wants – he gave himself away, so it’s much easier to check him out and now he’s under lock and key
as NRG said, the bombers were british, but the ideolgy wasn’t (although thats pure speculation, as none of us really knows why they did what they did, or what they want / what their ‘ideology’ actually is). we can’t stop people from going to other countries where extremist ideologies are given space (e.g. USA, Pakistan) and bringing their thoughts back here
the bombers families didn’t think like they did – how could you possibly legislate against this? thought police?
stopping peple from preaching their bile just drives them underground, where they are harder to infiltrate and monitor
let people say what they like, I say
it’s actions that you can lock people up for
thats pretty much what I meant…. by extremist I mean someone who actually converts words into actions, not merely if they mention the odd racist word or look at separatist material by mistake or through ignorance.
I have friends who used to be supporting BNP/NF but learnt over the years that blacks and asians are no worse than anywayone else..
but in the case of the earlier “islamic” criminal gangs they could have been nicked for their conventional criminal activity which would have disrupted them and possibly turned up useful intelligence info..
those who support BNP and commit acts of violence because of their views can also be dealt with in such a way
and the anti-abortion campaigners. they should be allowed to publish websites etc, but if they protest in the vicinity of a clinic should be arrested for approaching and harrassing the unfortunate ladies who require the clinics services….
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