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  • I suspected it was something like this – a bit surprised the equipment on oil rigs / drilling platforms used the 433.900 frequency when there are others permitted in the same range that won’t upset everything else as much if a device is stuck on transmit. Older equipment would have most likely run down the battery/accu and/or even blown up the endstage in this situation but todays tech is more robust.

    At least the modern circuit modules are set up so resetting them by turning the power on and off causes them to check they are on correct frequency and not stuck on TX. its always something to beware of when experimenting with these low power wireless devices (found in many cheap gadgets) as its surprisingly easy to cause interference for kilometres if the device is put up high enough.

    Lowestoft car locking mystery solved by switching power off and on again – BBC News

    Tbh GL is it that different from all the wireless locks and ignitions thzat have been rleased as “secure” to rapidly be shown insecure?

    @tryptameanie 972071 wrote:

    Tbh GL is it that different from all the wireless locks and ignitions thzat have been rleased as “secure” to rapidly be shown insecure?

    no, it is iexactly the same device as the radio equipment in all of these locks but in a stronger enclosure and with a higher power end stage. You can buy the circuit boards separately as well – many are not especially expensive; I built an experimental transmitter with one from I ordered from Scotland to trigger off a pager receiver.

    The transmitter units can be programmed from software with various protocols and can send either clear or encrypted data – the receiving equipment must of course be capable of decrypting.

    The vehicle ones may slightly more secure against attempts to open up the cars and steal them (although this can still be done with simple equipment and enough time to go through all the codes or even stalking the owners and monitoring the transmission the key gives off) – but all radio links are vulnerable to accidental or deliberate interference; they have been since Marconi’s days, it is why we no longer use rough spark gap transmitters for communications purposes.

    TBH the Ofcom man would have been equally within his rights to warn the oil rig organisation they should be setting that to a different frequency (Germany’s BNetzA suggest 433,100 or 433,500 MHz for an on site system) or using the licensed frequencies which are only £75 for 5 year license. He cannot force them to do this unless the transmitter had been set to excessively strong power or was permanently defective (it seems the reset sequence solved it). What was unusual is that it must surely have transmitted wrong/garbled signals to the location monitoring equipment as well; its equally worrying no one on the oil platform noticed that….

    ^^^^^^ see that’s why I love you GL :).

    I believe an entire production run of a certain model of car was recalled due to the master key or something being reverse engineered out of the firmware. Then to make matters worse a patch was sent by mail on a USB stick to add another attack vector into the mix lol. I’ll try dig out the links.

    For this reason a proper Rhode & Schwarz Peilauto/Peilwagen (radio signal tracking vehicle) currently uses a very basic VW T4 or Passat as the base vehicle (not sure if this will remain the case!). It must be locked/unlocked started with a key like old style cars/vans – there is no other RF-based equipment in it.

    Quite often the vehicle is some years older than the equipment inside it; I think R&S often reissue them to customers across Europe as part of trade in deals as there is a limited second hand market for an old van or estate car with a large hole drilled in the roof…

    I spoke to one of the local Ofcom chaps a while back who hinted that our Government still has a lot of Angst about handing over about €50 000 to € 100 000 to the Germans (even though they are guaranteed decent equipment for that price and there are no British manufacturers who can make this monitoring equipment any more) -so the field staff end up with the cheapest hand held R & S portable spectrum analyser (they do appear to have shelled out for the directional antenna since mid 2000s) – but they get the same motor cars the rest of the Civil Service use; and thus have to be really careful not to end up locked out of their cars with the device locked inside the vehicle….

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