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July 20, 2007 at 10:48 am

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There is already a Government committee looking into this issue (something called the Home Office Research Study group, the committee is usually made up of academics, Civil Servants and senior Police officers)

These days it can take as little as a year or two for their recommendations to be made into a Parliament debate and subsequently a law. – Consider how quickly Ketamine was classified for instance…. Things used to take longer but since 1997 or so Blair has made Government work faster by demanding quicker delivery from the Civil Service..

I suppose its seen by the “other side” as 10-15 years worth of crime that has gone unpunished (despite more legislation!) which has led to this further backlash…

http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=edponline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED19%20Jul%202007%2020%3A14%3A26%3A673

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Government considers raves clampdown

CHRIS FISHER, EDP POLITICAL EDITOR

19 July 2007 20:22

The government is to ask a top police study group to look at ways of clamping down on illegal raves in Norfolk and other rural areas.

Home Office minister Vernon Coaker made the commitment in the Commons last night after South West Norfolk MP Christopher Fraser said people would be dissuaded from holding and supporting such gatherings only if the government showed it was serious in its intent and provided an effective deterrent.

Mr Fraser emphasised that illegal raves were being held regularly in his constituency, that they were causing “huge distress, damage and expense”, and that current laws seemed unable to stop them.

He suggested the introduction of further legislation to make “organising or being involved in the organisation of” a rave, and attending a rave, criminal offences.

Mr Coaker said the Association of Chief Police Officers had already recognised that raves were “a growing problem”, and promised to refer Mr Fraser’s proposals for consideration by a sub-group of the organisation that was looking at the issue.
July 20, 2007 at 11:28 am

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raves cause “huge distress, damage and expense”

and the iraq war was a success??????

bloody politicians
July 22, 2007 at 9:52 am

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so is there anything that can be done about this?

if nothing is done the whole lot could be law within a year and a half.

I suspect though the real reason that Norfolk got rinsed for raves was a simple matter of geography and terrain – its big and there aren’t enough police to deal with raves and other problems that might occur over a weekend, so there was a lack of enforcement.

Ravers mistook this lack of enforcement for “acceptance” of their activities, whilst the anger and opposition was building up against them. People don’t like being made to look impotent on their own private property and get even angrier when they feel that the agencies they pay to protect them (i.e the Police) can’t actually do so!

But exactly the same happened in SE England too – certain farms and areas got caned (particularly the Ridgeway) – culminating in “riots” and rig seizures (Wokingham 2004 etc).

There needs to be some debate and compromise and less dumbing down and stuff like badly organised parties that bait up whole districts due to sketchy convoys – otherwise those of you who are now teenagers/young adults aren’t going to have much of a party scene in a few years time..
July 22, 2007 at 2:31 pm

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General Lighting wrote:

so is there anything that can be done about this?

the MP has made a pretty strong case as so many parties have been badly organised, leading to visible crime

it’s sad that all the decent crews and party goers will suffer as a result of the actions of what is probably still a minority of people involved in free parties

it could be that TENS, private land and careful invitations will be the only alternative to commercial clubs / festivals in the very near future
July 23, 2007 at 3:25 pm

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will it pass? i hope not… but, anyhow have an estimate of the chances?

it’s fuckin ridiculous, i dont think it’lll stop raves though, the ravers need to act fast and sort shit out before the law gets passed… many on sj are also sayin this so hopefully we’ll see change
July 23, 2007 at 8:51 pm

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boothy wrote:

will it pass? i hope not… but, anyhow have an estimate of the chances?

it’s fuckin ridiculous, i dont think it’lll stop raves though, the ravers need to act fast and sort shit out before the law gets passed… many on sj are also sayin this so hopefully we’ll see change

it’ll be too little, too late.

i’m not normally pessimistic, but there is no reason why this won’t go through

it won’t stop raves, but they’ll become small, private affairs, attended purely by people who can manage themselves. maybe no bad thing
July 23, 2007 at 9:03 pm

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your pessimism does suprise me tbh 😉 but then you have been goin to parties shit loads longer than me and know fuck loads more so you’re probs right, but still, i’d like to see an effort at least bein made

col’s got the right idea. imo there still are a few liberal MP’s out there, who would actually listen.
July 23, 2007 at 9:16 pm

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it’s not about how long i’ve been going to parties… but if you look at some fundamental freedoms this government has removed, and the population has surrendered in the last decade, this is small potatoes. i’m not saying it’s right, but it is highly likely to pass through parliament

write a letter to your MP by all means, then it can never be said that you did nothing

but, the state that some party sites get left in (and i know all the arguments about people not being allowed to clear up, but sites are allowed to get in that state in the first place, by everyone attending) make me really disillusioned and strongly for the right to gather freely to begin with.

also, check out the number of solid people who have given up throwing free parties, because of the level of bad attitude that is brought by people attending, not because they got bored of the music
September 4, 2007 at 11:28 am

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Parties have indeed been a form of political protest initself for many years and most people understand that protest as a form of critiscim is the freedom we are born with. However, in this nanny state, control of the people by authoritarian power is always on the increase and it is because of how free parties are seen to sometimes get one over on authority that angers opposition the most. The nature of the government has always been to seek absolute power whilst feeding the public with wave after wave of failed promises. And it is also the nature of the government that when the time comes repression of the free party scene will be absolute with legislation passed on every small aspect. And to those who wonder, the UK government would never impose a scheme like french, where ravers are allocated a number of dates a year in which parties can be held without opposition. Each new legislation passed just seems to be another basic idea of individuality crushed.
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