Party Vibe

@spangle 391195 wrote:

if you took a sample of 85000 people in Scotland over a normal 3 days weekend, i wouldn’t be surprised if it worse than this though!

Yes, scotland and the UK has some of the highest violent crime rates in the the EU but it doesn’t matter if its Edinburgh, Tallinn, Vilnius or London – the obvious issue here is that people are supposed to be gathering peacefully for a social occasion, and there is the argument that they seem incapable of doing so. Across the EU minority of violent thugs can wreck any gathering if they are not stopped by security procedures and/or brought to justice by the cops if they do manage to do anything serious.

Even in the relatively peaceful and tolerant Netherlands, an incident like this happened at a free dance music event in 2009..

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/man-shot-dead-free-beach-party

The main reason Strawberry Fair got stopped in 2009 was due to anti-social behaviour including violence. (Its now back on for 2011 with more SIA-trained guards dealing with ASB and blatant drug use, and the alcohol license revoked).

If its kicking off across the North Sea in places like in NL then I think a much wider and problem with all large gatherings. its probably linked to “crowd mentality” the recession and people from different crowds – just different groups of people and nothing to do with race etc.

if people can’t play nicely the playground will simply be shut down, or the alternative will be more surveillance to identify known troublemakers and stop them attending, like what metpol do with Notting Hill carnival – but this is expensive so either ticket prices go up or festivals with free entry increasingly stop happening as the non-participant public doesn’t want to pay for the extra security/police costs…

a lot of cops just count overall crime figures, so a event with less property crimes but more crimes of violence is still viewed as a “improvement”. looking at the BBC figures it was only a slight “improvement” on the crime figures anyway..