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  • missMushed wrote:
    Saying this the fact that raves are unliscenced, means anyone is avaliable to attend and that means that they can become very dangerous places if the wrong type do decide to pay a visit…..i dont know what the answer is, i wish i did. Im just thankful ive never had any grief at any rave ive been to, and hope that there can be a brighter future for us all

    its more a case of who hangs with which crowd and who the role models are than licenses, cops and laws… licenses don’t stop people getting shot at townie nightclubs; happens regularly in London and the Midlands.

    any large male-dominated event will attract the would-be fighters; OTOH shootings are rare in this country anyway compared to elsewhere in the world and TBH I reckon they just had the guns to look hard or to try and sell them somewhere (still fucking daft though in this country..)

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    Seems absurd that they are complaining of the mess yet refusing to allow people to stay on site, with the rigs packed up, to clean up.

    they are probably paranoid that the traveller contingent will stay there for even longer and then dig their heels in when cops try to evict them (thus requiring civil court to get eviction papers).

    The place is already under a section 63, so surely they don’t need to apply for an eviction order they can just kick them off site when they wish?

    It would make far more sense to allow them to stay on site for another night to clear up than to pay thousands of pounds to get it done by someone else.

    elretardo87 wrote:
    The place is already under a section 63, so surely they don’t need to apply for an eviction order they can just kick them off site when they wish?

    they can – but it still needs a lot of riot cops to forcibly remove people, and the moment the cops leave the site further vehicles could appear.

    at similar situations in the past where after the deadline had passed people said “oh dear, my bus has broken down and I am a homeless” and try to blag the site for as long as they can.

    Also it may even be the case cops have to go back for a section 61 (travellers site) order and these days they have to do a welfare assesment if there are kids around which delays things (albeit maybe only for a few days) as they are waiting on the council.

    In the early 90s before CJA an event like this would result in the site being occupied for a week or more and multiple raves happening at the same location!

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    It would make far more sense to allow them to stay on site for another night to clear up than to pay thousands of pounds to get it done by someone else.

    I think in the end this did happen – but the locals are never satisfied with this sort of thing.

    I doubt if people cleaned up the human shit and that will require the specialist decontamination units because of euro rules , so there will still be an extra cost incurred. of course its way less than the full cost of townie licensed premises to an area but few people are bothered to realise this.

    1. what the fuk were they doing with that much ket, i mean fair enough you may shift quite a bit, but 2 kilos “jesus”
    2. why the hell would you need a gun at an outdoor rave. come on theres hardly gonna be a group of armed thugs there muscling in on your business,

    General Lighting wrote:
    they can – but it still needs a lot of riot cops to forcibly remove people, and the moment the cops leave the site further vehicles could appear.

    This happens either way, If the people refuse to leave before tidying up then the riot police will have to be called.

    General Lighting wrote:
    Also it may even be the case cops have to go back for a section 61 (travellers site) order and these days they have to do a welfare assesment if there are kids around which delays things (albeit maybe only for a few days) as they are waiting on the council.

    A section 63 applies until the site is cleared, and stops any vehicle or person re-entering the land for 7 days so surely that wouldn’t be a problem?

    General Lighting wrote:
    I think in the end this did happen – but the locals are never satisfied with this sort of thing.

    Very true, as rarely especially after a party this size is the area back to how it was found but it will obviously reduce the cleanup costs if 90% of the rubbish is already cleaned up.

    General Lighting wrote:
    I doubt if people cleaned up the human shit and that will require the specialist decontamination units because of euro rules , so there will still be an extra cost incurred.

    I wasn’t at this party but I’m guessing its the same as every other large party I’ve been to where no one could be arsed digging any sort of latrines.

    Compost toilets are a piece of piss to make and a piece of piss to cover over. Its not perfect but its better than people’s shit in bushes and behind trees on someone elses land.

    i read in one of the reports that the place was dominated by 9500 sheep an a few horses so what difference is a few people crapping in the woods gonna make?

    raverbaby wrote:
    i read in one of the reports that the place was dominated by 9500 sheep an a few horses so what difference is a few people crapping in the woods gonna make?

    Its dealt with very differently…you need a special team to clean up human shit.

    elretardo87 wrote:
    Its dealt with very differently…you need a special team to clean up human shit.

    aye. IIRC humans carry the highest amount of dangerous pathogens of any species on this planet…

    doesn’t really surprise me that much, i’ve been to the last 2 teknivals, and lets face it, its not that fluffy!

    dunno wot it used to be like, but its pretty much a free for all. as long as ur sensible, u shouldn’t get into grief, but it is pretty much the ‘front-line’, in terms of the drugs.

    last time i thought the numerous ‘tea stalls’ were a welsh feature, but it was the same at camelford, and i think they tell u something about the nature of some of the people there. its far too commercial, in that respect.

    i think 4 every person caught with guns, there are almost certainly 10 that didnt. i mean, people are hardly likely to get them out an start wavin em about, 4 u to look at. knives presumably, r commonplace.

    however, people’s paranoia about gettin hassle from fellow traders or opportunists, probably rises exponentially, with the amount of drugs they are carryin. which is why i think there were probably quite a few weapons, of all types

    smaller gatherings are alot easier to self police, which is thankful.

    feel free to call me a scare-mongering wuss, but there’s a lot more guns around in all of society, and i don’t think the teknival is much different.

    i mite be wrong, of course, obviously i didnt c any guns, but i did get my wallet nicked, which really pissed me off!:mad_curse :mad_curse

    hmm – I’ve been to a variety of indoor and outdoor raves of various sizes including several teknivals….as well as commercial clubs and never seen much in the way of weaponry other than in the cities.

    yes there are potential weapons about (or people are prepard to use improvised ones) – but violence is or was rarer on the free party scene than anywhere else.

    There are knives and sharp objects about at teks in crews van – but most are primarily intended for more peaceful purposes; slicing through lengths of rope, making emergency repairs to cables etc, cutting up food etc!

    Its true that a scene which revolves around illegal commodities and brings together a bunch of people from diverse communities will never be 100% “fluffy” (any more than the wider streets of Britain) – petty theft and people having disagreements and scuffles are unfortunately common at large gatherings such as teks but guns are rare on this scene (I’m not talking about UKG here!).

    Its not that they aren’t easy to get if people are that determined (even before the influx of East European imports guns could be diverted from legally held collections) but there was always a more peaceful ethos about underground rave events compared to other urban music events

    (NB: I am talking about raves in SW and SE and Eastern England though so things may be different in your area)

    but it does seem people are angrier and more paranoid like you say so there’s always the risk of people having more advanced weaponry. That said this gun problem has been around 5 years now but thankfully free parties haven’t been blighted by it yet….

    I do agree with you though that smaller events are easier to keep a lid on (that doesn’t mean tiny ones though, the recent Reading warehouse party with 2000 people was virtually trouble free)

    am i just being dense….but what/who are UKG?

    missMushed wrote:
    am i just being dense….but what/who are UKG?

    UKG = UK Garage / Grime (genre of music)

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