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did neone c that bloke go at the fuzz wiv a pole he got a propa beating for it
the cops don’t need to issue a Section 63 or stop the party to prosecute people, as they can use the music licensing laws to do this.
we tried the “human rights” argument back in the 90s. it was countered by locals saying their human rights have been infringed by being frightened by the party people. We can actually come across as rather intimidating to dog walkers and the like (and sadly I have seen at parties some idiot lads actually giving attitude to locals).
The whole idea of ASBOs are to limit the human rights of those people what were behaving “anti-socially” as an alternative to worse punishments such as prison or fines etc. It is correct though that the burden of proof is less than a normal criminal case.
As for the media, they are actually on rules not to promote crime. It doesn’t matter at the moment if you or I or most of the people on this forum don’t think an unlicensed rave is crime – unfortunately the law currently says it is – and if they put across any “pro rave” views they would be deluged with complaints.
we all do, but we’re coming to an impasse where so many normal people disagree with unlicensed raves (particularly when loads happen in one area) they are the ones asking for the country to be locked down.
It wasn’t the government in london which did this, it was the local farmers and people of Norfolk (and many other area) who kept writing to their MPs because a number of badly run parties had caused problems.
Everyone starts out with good intentions and TBH all the crews I have met over the years have never wanted to cause problems but usually its a few idiots what spoil it for everybody.
oh and this hasn’t fucked up the area for parties, GMP have done this before now and will do again, but at the same time some parties they just ignore so its luck of the draw really and obviously picking locations carefully
Yeah cant remember If I said, but I first saw the police on crossers following a combo van out. Second I saw the chopper hours later, although couldnt hear a word It was saying. It was well too windy and obviously the wind against your ears and other cars makes a loud whooshing noise which easily drowned It out…
Also I agree It wasnt a great spot. And to be honest, I think the police used that amount of force (not the actual disgusting beatings ect, I mean amount of resources) because of
1: the location WAS pretty dangerous, there was places to fall off all over, and huge rocks for fall off too. Were talking random ledges with 40ft drops onto ragged rocks.
2: The area was surrounded by new wind turbines that no doubt are very expensive. Maybe this would have been over looked, If…
3: … Some fucking stupid cunts hadn’t broke Into one. This really really pisses me off. Those few make all us 1000s look so bad to the public, and obviously we have no chance to explain our own selves and make people aware we aint all the same at all.
I think the last point was a big reason why everything went so wrong.
Also I was kinda annoyed that I couldn’t find many rigs with bins. Maybe I was too spangled, but I ended up going around with like 4 stella bottles in my pockets lol. The floor Infront of the main rig was proper dirty. I was falling over big 2ltr bottles of spirits and other shit all the time.
I had a thought while i was there. Wouldnt It be good If coppers could drop temp bins around. Obviously alot of the time they know about the raves well before the early morning. So their first action could be to drop bins around. Even if they intend to shut it down later on. Id use one deffo, and sure loads others would too. Yeah Im sure some dicks would push them over but at least the rubbish is mainly in one place then for when people that do tidy up get around to it in the morning.
I doubt Itd happen though. The law is just as stubborn as most ravers, and to the public and the proverbial war against ravers, it looks like they would be giving in. Sad truths :you_crazy
it should really be upto the organisers to provide temp bins. its not a hard thing to do. not even the organisers, a random raver could do it. communal effort n all that.
at one of the first decent norfolk parties I went to (yes there are good ones) they had just that, a framework on to which bin bags were attached
not only were they collecting trash properly they were separating it for recycling
also people used to go to thetford forest on monday and clear up the rest of the rubbish so the rangers didn’t have so much work
the sad thing is all this fell by the wayside as people partied later and later into Sunday and did so much ket that it was dark and they were too fucking wrecked to pick up the rubbish.
and to be fair even with this the bulk of rubbish does get picked up, the problem is more with human shit being left behind and people being sketchy when normal folks are about.
Whenever a rave happens you also get complete bellends parking or driving badly (theres a few “max power” types on the scene these days) and even doing stuff like robbing things out of local shops and service stations – this also brings it on top for everyone.
Fuck the dog leash, they do ones for kids with a harness!! :laugh_at:
You cheeky fucker!! I am normal… just like a Marmite and Jam sandwich is normal!! :laugh_at:
you definately are not in league with josh and adrians antics that night. although u were definately gurnin more haha
Yeah I think I also consumed far far less than them two… kind of glad that was the case too as I would have been a mess and my night would not have been as good I don’t think 🙂
so what your saying is the police can use a health and safety issue to stop a party and allows them to batter and hit people who are there with there weapons because they are concered that people may get hurt at a party where their are no controls in place. so to make sure that no party goer comes to harm they batter them. right!
health and safety issues are not a criminal matter. these issues are dealt with by the local goverment whom employ enforcement officers to deal with such matters.
section 63 is part of the criminal jutices act which is soley for the purpose of dealing with the issues of raves.it lays down the law as to how to deal with all issues raised when a gathering has hapened. these laws have been passed through parliment and it is not debateable whether a police force will abide by the rules put down. choosing not to use the law laiid down by parliment makes them into vigalanties and anwser to no one. . no thats scarey.
Where did you get this health and safety thing from??
He said music licensing laws….
no, PEL and health and safety laws are as you say different things.
but the authorities can use one or all of these.
In some cases (like the Horsey gap party) they didn’t close it down violently but used surveillance equipment and statements gathered from locals to class it as an unlicensed music event.
In Wentwood 2007, Ingham 2007, Yarmouth and Rochdale this year as well as other incidents in Norfolk the cops did use Section 63 powers to remove trespassers. And then they can still use the unlicensed music law agaainst the crews.
And sadly the police are answering to the demands of “normal people” who keep whinging that raves cause them problems and should be closed down. There are plenty of normal peopel what have been kept awake by a rave or seen their stuff damaged (like farmers) who would like to go in and beat up ravers themselves – but they know they are outnumbered so they want the cops to do the job for them.
There is at the moment fuck all we can do as we don’t have the bulk of normal people (i.e those what never go to raves and wouldn’t go to one) on our side. Parties are no longer seen as harmless mischief or freedom of expression, they are seen as anti social behaviour. Until that attitude can be changed there can be no progress.
we all do, but we’re coming to an impasse where so many normal people
are you sugessting that party people are abnormal.?
are you a party goer?
what is normal??
yes, I’ve been partying for 17 years and was involved with free parties in SE England until 2005 (it would be a bit strange me being a mod on a rave site for some years if I never went to a rave :laugh_at:)
90% of the time they are “normal” but the other 10% they tend to do stuff like take illegal drugs, play loud music, and ignore things like other peoples private property rights to gather on other peoples resources. In many cases this isn’t particularly evil, especially when those resources are abandoned or could be called “public” such as Thetford Forest, but its not “normal” either, and once it causes any problems to others is where the hassle starts.
Party crews are just being “fluffy vigilantés” in many respects – they’ve taken it into their own hands that they can use this bit of space better than its owners and assembled in numbers without invitation..
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