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  • To be fair you would need to be in top set to answer either of the two questions and predicted for A / A* as the exam board says – they are about the same level as a 1987 O Level exam which I did sit (back in 1987).

    Were I to sit the same exam today I might have got a few marks for the sweets question (but not all the available marks) – and I have totally forgotten how to do simultaneous equations). I probably wouldn’t get A or A* for the maths exam; and have never believed the right wing press claims that these exams are “dumbed down”; exams are equally difficult and stressful to a young person as they were nearly 3 decades ago. If any students (or parents) happen to be reading this; it is not the end of the world if you do not get A* in this years GCSE.

    It is worth learning at least some skills with basic arithmetic; but there are further education colleges where you can retake the exams. I work for a medium size company here and we don’t care when our younger staff got their basic qualifications (whether its 15, 16 or age 20) or for that matter what country they got them in (provided they can speak English). People live to 80-100 anyway so there is no need to try and cram every bit of growing up into below age 25; those who do only end up feeling middle aged by then.

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    Wimps. Completely pathetic, over pampered brats.

    How can we expect our young people to become successful tax avoide… er… entrepreneurs if they can’t even master that sort of algebra?

    Oh wait, the teachers didn’t actually teach them algebra. That might explain it.

    I’ve never sat in a UK maths lesson since 1990 (I did study A levels which I didn’t do as well in compared to O Levels/GCSE) so have absolutely no idea what they are like nowadays. To be fair I only just about knew how to do maths like that in 1987 and have half forgotten all of it now – today I have to often read stuff intended for German and Dutch teenagers and youths as at least in those countries they realise it often takes more than 3 or so years to get these concepts into your head; and just like learning a language that is not your usual one you need to find a practical use for these skills to keep them in your brain.

    unfortunately it is perfectly possible that those who went to school in England in the last two decades were never taught these skills properly in the first place or more importantly the value of learning them.

    Trial and error, tbh the 1st try, would give n as 10 no? n^2=100-10-90=0.

    What a set of fucking dumbarses, and these are supposed to be our brightest.

    My answer wasnt what was wanted but working it out was very simple, As sounds similar to you no way did I use anywhere near that method to get what was needed but thankfully n was so obvious and obviously had to relate to the sweets getting the answer was simple, no pen or paper needed and if my son comes home compaining about a problem on his HIGHER level exam I will laugh him out of the house.

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    Trial and error, tbh the 1st try, would give n as 10 no? n^2=100-10-90=0.

    What a set of fucking dumbarses, and these are supposed to be our brightest.

    My answer wasnt what was wanted but working it out was very simple, As sounds similar to you no way did I use anywhere near that method to get what was needed but thankfully n was so obvious and obviously had to relate to the sweets getting the answer was simple, no pen or paper needed and if my son comes home compaining about a problem on his HIGHER level exam I will laugh him out of the house.

    ?? But the question isn’t asking you to find n.

    It asks a question then asks to prove the equation. If you can solve the equation, getting 10 as the answer you have the number pf the other colour sweets. The 10 is obviously significant and is 2/3rds of the total number of sweets. How can the equation not be relevant to this?

    Because you don’t know that there are 10 sweets – there might be 11 for all we know. The question doesn’t give us that information. You can’t change the question to fit the answer; it’s just bad science to start with the idea that the hypothesis is true. Someone else might come along and say that they think n^2 – n – 72 = 0, and someone else thinks that n^2 – n – 20 = 0. They can’t all be right, but if each of them used your method they would each claim confidently that the answer is 9 and 5 respectively.

    TBH if I were 15 again I’d probably end up “reverse engineering” the question in the same way Requiem did.

    The profs who set the exam questions are not that sadistic and realise teenagers are under pressure – they often drop a few extra hidden clues to the answer in with the question.

    as long as you show some sort of working as to how you arrived at the equation would get at least some if not all of the marks. It doesn’t unfortunately work at University and can even lead to you being thrown out of there (mind you that was on top of using the academic network to circulate info about controlled drugs, via a staff account I had somehow acquired from the the student union; and crashing the kernel on a multi user computer with a buffer overflow from flawed code (that was a genuine accident!)

    I recently started to read a very large but particularly good free e-book from this American radio engineer who is about 70+

    He had done his national service for the US Army (back then you didn’t get a choice about this) in Japan during the 1950s – helping “rebuild” the place (although the Japanese were quite capable of doing this themselves) and set up various communications equipment. Probably the start of the NSA; but this is also why USA and Japanese hobby electronics projects often use the same components.

    The book has to be printed out and when done so fills up two European lever arch binders; and covers everything from the basics of wireless communications to building an entire digital controlled HF receiver (which is quite some challenge as you must keep the noise from the computer bits out of the RF circuitry whilst still controlling it).

    it is unusual for me to bother with that for an American book because by the time I’m done with translating it back into British/European English and converting all the units to metric I might as well have read it in Dutch, German or even Danish or Norweigian. This dude however actually understands there is a world outside the USA; most of it uses metric; and best of all explains in clear and simple terms you do not need to know all that hard maths to do more advanced things with electronics. you only need to have passed your GCSE maths exam (or its equivalent in your country) and know how to use a scientific pocket calculator. There is still an entire chapter of maths revision and it is difficult; but I was reading a bit of that last night (on the WC!) and learned more from that than an entire year at University.

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