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i really hope that society will come together over this one, its interesting just to see in the last couple of years a real change (or so i think) in attitudes towards climate change, i think more members of the public are will to except that concept that global warming is indeed our own fault and that the consequences may be catatstrophic. so i think that society has the potential to realise that oil supplies are a crisis too and all club together to support alternative methods of fuel… i hope that solar paneled house roofs will become a familiar sight.

its little things that annoy me, such as why does soup not come in recyclable tins anymore but all of it in ridiculously thick plastic containers, which at the end of the day need oil to be made.

Whilst ‘peak oil’ is a concern (i’ve seen mention of ‘peak everything!’ gas, coal, etc as a broader issue), it is one of a range of pressing issues connected to our unsustainable use of the earths resources ie climate change, ocean acidification, over-fishing, abuse of water resources, many forms of pollution, soil erosion, destruction of the rainforests etc.

Although many of the ways of addressing peak oil and global warming are the same (mainly energy efficiency and renewables), i am deeply sceptical of our ability to turn this one around, at the current rates of progress.

IMHO it is the warming that will really test us (i think the WHO says its worth about 150,000 deaths/year currently). Sadly, if you pay attention to the current avalanche of evidence confirming the seriousness of the situation, you will notice that we are starting to see effects that were not expected for some time to come, with sea level rise being one particular concern (artic shrinkage, the recent reports of the first real warming in Antartica, melting in Greenland etc).

The latest IPCC report had to fudge the issue, because there is so much uncertainty about how fast the ice caps could collapse. And this is b4 we start to discuss the climate feedbacks, some of which are evidently starting to kick in (ice albedo feedback, melting permafrost emissions, etc)

It is now hard to argue we are going to keep sea level rise below epic proportions. It is currently about 4mm/year (or 6mm/year if you are in the London), but that could easily go through 1cm/year, by around 2040-50. And it will emphatically not stop there, because once those icecaps start to go, there is absolutely no way to put the genie back in the bottle.

And then i could talk about ocean acidification, but if you want the evidence, check out the Royal Society report on the issue.

Anyway, the evidence of the myriad problems is out there. if you need refs, let me know…

Its hard to see it from this close, but i have done a lot of background on this, and we are unquestionably in the middle of a slowly unfolding global catastrophe, unique in human history.:cry:

An interesting and well researched book i read recently, by an enviromental journalist called Mark Lynas, is called ‘Six Degrees: Our future in a warming world’. It was published a couple of months ago, and it paints a bleak picture of the future, but fore-warned is fore-armed.:hopeless:

My plan is to move in with Raj, because Scotland should be lovely (unless the SNP rebuild Hadrians Wall, that is!:groucho: ), and because sea level rise will be mitigated by the uplift in the Scottish landmass (which is still rising as a consequence of the disappearance of the British icecap, after the last ice age).

I’m not suggesting ‘peak oil’ isn’t an issue, clearly it is, i just think its gonna be another nail in millions of coffins.

Actually, thinkin bout it, there probably won’t be many coffins. Historically speakin, it is generally pits…

Sorry if this is depressing, i find that the truth can be refreshing, myself…:group_hug :group_hug :group_hug

I’ll shut up now…

hmm, definately agree with your point about panic. Thats one of the interestin parts of the peak oil thing, the analysis includes an appreciation of the importance of confidence in the future, in the financial markets. The AGW people are strugglin with that, with the Stern report being the only decent work in this area.

I agree that we ought to be investin heavily now, because some things could become alot more expensive, in the near future. We are seeing this now, with the effect of biofuels on food prices.

I’m in the same boat as you vis-a-vis kids. It is probably a lot easier for us to be dispassionate about this. My sister has kids tho…

I try not to be down about it all, as well. When the reality sinks in (5-10 years?) with the general public, we will all have to grow up a bit. It might be like a war, but with the whole world on the same side. Short of finding ET’s, i can’t think of a better way to emphasise our interdependance, our shared responsibilities.

Nice link, i am quite familiar with some of his thinkin! I liked the skills bit (i been thinkin bout that for a while), and also the bit about tribes…

PV tribe anyone? I’m not sure we would make a very effective community, ha ha, depends on the location, i guess. We would need alot of power for the rig. What about a ravers treadmill!:groucho:

Has Raj got a big house?:wink:

how many are we talking about here? :crazy_fre

:noway: not big enough for that many :hiding:

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These are FIVE inevitable fact about loosing oil,

our economy will suffer BIG TIME

America will never change they far out use oil more than the rest of the world

For every 1barrel of oil we find, we are using 3

There is nothing we can do at the moment to stop the extinction of oil

There will be an engine that runs on another source of fuel right now(apart from the ones like solar, gas, and electric) that is already designed, in the 1980s they made a car that ran on water, except the parts rusted.