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September 10, 2016 at 10:44 am

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@Shakyamuni 985891 wrote:

Maybe the high dosages could have something to do with smuggling the pills? Or is that not an issue?

Thousands if not millions of legitimate pharmaceutical pills are sent through European and postal courier services every day. As well as that there are licensed health supplements and vitamins available in pill form. Many of these are going to be delivered to the same middle class neighbourhoods the MDMA ends up, Added to that theres all sorts of small parcels that have spare space

European postal and courier services (including NO, CH and UK) today have strong cultures of privacy as a backlash against the dark days of WW II and the Cold War but have also been affected by privatisation; they don’t like to turn down business. Of course post does get scanned and sometimes intercepted but it takes big operations to do that and usually only happens following incidents such as a string of overdoses in the same region.
September 10, 2016 at 10:52 am

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@General Lighting 985893 wrote:

Thousands if not millions of legitimate pharmaceutical pills are sent through European and postal courier services every day. As well as that there are licensed health supplements and vitamins available in pill form. Many of these are going to be delivered to the same middle class neighbourhoods the MDMA ends up, Added to that theres all sorts of small parcels that have spare space

European postal and courier services (including NO, CH and UK) today have strong cultures of privacy as a backlash against the dark days of WW II and the Cold War but have also been affected by privatisation; they don’t like to turn down business. Of course post does get scanned and sometimes intercepted but it takes big operations to do that and usually only happens following incidents such as a string of overdoses in the same region.

If having something illegal shipped from somewhere like holland, then ffs whatever you do, do not get it sent by UPS Cash on delivery, it will get fucking seized. Tracked standard mail from anywhere inth world is pretty much fine, as long as you aren’t taking the piss in the amounts you import….
September 10, 2016 at 11:05 am

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@tryptameanie 985894 wrote:

If having something illegal shipped from somewhere like holland, then ffs whatever you do, do not get it sent by UPS Cash on delivery, it will get fucking seized. Tracked standard mail from anywhere inth world is pretty much fine, as long as you aren’t taking the piss in the amounts you import….

Indeed, the USA owned couriers have a long standing culture of cooperating more with authorities. When I used to send electronics for work from UK to the USA TV companies in the 1990s; we forever had issues with Customs even though the circuit boards were clearly for their big broadcasters (sports and religious channels) and none of the equipment in them was restricted and of little use to anyone outside a big TV station.

A year ago I bought two refurb computers for work via a UK supplier who orders them from NL.

They were 100% legit but the UK lot had somehow mangled the address label so the first two lines were a UK address and the last two were the depot in Utrecht which refurbs them (and sells them across Europe) – when they didn’t arrive on the expected day I checked the courier tracking and they had got diverted to an obscure building in Essex which I later unearthed was a Border Force bonded warehouse!

The computers did arrive next day; I did telephone the lad at the supplier and said “next time be more careful; or we can both get in trouble!” (Border Force are not complete idiots, and keep close watch on healthcare organisations for a variety of reasons as diversion was rife in the 1980s).

National post organisations, even if they are privatised, tend to have more left wing workers who are members of trade unions and most of them don’t see drugs as a big problem (TBH most of the younger posties in my old town were ravers). They’d probably rather deliver good pills than junk mail :laugh_at:
September 10, 2016 at 11:11 am

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@tryptameanie 985892 wrote:

If anything, an accurate dosing per pellet, plus fillers etc, plus the press itself, would add a ton to cost than getting pure crystal so just how much of that 220mg was actual mdma is what I questioned because that’s just shy of 0.25 grams of pure MDMA, and these pollets I believe were available at a MAXIMUM of £4each for 50, and £3 for 100+.

100 pills withh 220mg of MDMA inside is gonna be 22 grams of MDMA, over 3/4 an ounce and actually, the price to buy pure, very pure, crystal and those pellets, actually meant there was no difference at all in the price, if anything pills were even cheaper which is what made me suspicious…..

The Dutch take any hobbies involving science, tech to obsession level, enjoy measuring/counting stuff and doing hard maths for fun, and contrary to stereotypes can be quite generous especially when something is in plentiful supply. TBH I get the impression they don’t actually want to poison their clients but forget that not every country has testing; and that many younger British often aren’t quite as sharp with maths compared to folk in other European nations.

In the 2000s I used to get given free drugs (especially ketamine) for stopping friends from ripping themselves off through poor maths skills!
September 10, 2016 at 11:13 am

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@General Lighting 985895 wrote:

Indeed, the USA owned couriers have a long standing culture of cooperating more with authorities. When I used to send electronics for work from UK to the USA TV companies in the 1990s; we forever had issues with Customs even though the circuit boards were clearly for their big broadcasters (sports and religious channels) and none of the equipment in them was restricted and of little use to anyone outside a big TV station.

A year ago I bought two refurb computers for work via a UK supplier who orders them from NL.

They were 100% legit but the UK lot had somehow mangled the address label so the first two lines were a UK address and the last two were the depot in Utrecht which refurbs them (and sells them across Europe) – when they didn’t arrive on the expected day I checked the courier tracking and they had got diverted to an obscure building in Essex which I later unearthed was a Border Force bonded warehouse!

The computers did arrive next day; I did telephone the lad at the supplier and said “next time be more careful; or we can both get in trouble!” (Border Force are not complete idiots, and keep close watch on healthcare organisations for a variety of reasons as diversion was rife in the 1980s).

National post organisations, even if they are privatised, tend to have more left wing workers who are members of trade unions and most of them don’t see drugs as a big problem (TBH most of the younger posties in my old town were ravers). They’d probably rather deliver good pills than junk mail :laugh_at:

Well, I had some less than legal cargo with UPS that was seized by NCA, no doubt curious as to how this fucking a4 sized envelope could possibly warrant me owing how fucking much?????????? and not be suspect as fuck.

Exactly the same shipment sent recorded delivery from same place to same address wen’t without any hassle. Obviously I wouldn’t have taken the risk of importing such a thing had the police bothered to do anything about it until 4 months after they seized it, twice, lol.
September 10, 2016 at 11:29 am

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The old boys into electronics who were around in the psychedelic era often buy from NL turntable cartridges (for restoring old vinyl players) and valves for their hifi and amateur radio equipment.

These are often quite high valued as certain types are rare; and heavily protected in packing as they are fragile.

(these are some valves, commonly used in hi fi amplifiers. They are newer ones from RU and CN but still often get ordered via NL and DE).

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Every few weeks they encounter a control and all their post is delayed for up to 4 weeks at UK Border Force (it is not TNT PostNL doing this).

They just laugh it off as they know exactly why that could happen (bear in mind these dudes are invariably all into psychedelic prog rock) :laugh_at:
September 10, 2016 at 11:31 am

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@General Lighting 985896 wrote:

The Dutch take any hobbies involving science, tech to obsession level, enjoy measuring/counting stuff and doing hard maths for fun, and contrary to stereotypes can be quite generous especially when something is in plentiful supply. TBH I get the impression they don’t actually want to poison their clients but forget that not every country has testing; and that many younger British often aren’t quite as sharp with maths compared to folk in other European nations.

In the 2000s I used to get given free drugs (especially ketamine) for stopping friends from ripping themselves off through poor maths skills!

Yeah I agree they’re being generous, but recklessly so I’d say tbh….
September 10, 2016 at 11:50 am

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@tryptameanie 985900 wrote:

Yeah I agree they’re being generous, but recklessly so I’d say tbh….

it is why we need testing (similar to the standards for electronic components, for instance all those valves would work in the same circuit no matter what nation they come from).

there is also a culture difference – in mainland Europe people plan their weekends well in advance and often take fewer pills when partying; they also have proper harm reduction education where the councils, schools, faith groups and secular organisations at least try and work together. Most importantly, many people do not begrudge the relatively small amount of Euros paid in tax to support this..
September 10, 2016 at 3:08 pm

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@General Lighting 985896 wrote:

The Dutch take any hobbies involving science, tech to obsession level, enjoy measuring/counting stuff and doing hard maths for fun, and contrary to stereotypes can be quite generous especially when something is in plentiful supply. TBH I get the impression they don’t actually want to poison their clients but forget that not every country has testing; and that many younger British often aren’t quite as sharp with maths compared to folk in other European nations.

In the 2000s I used to get given free drugs (especially ketamine) for stopping friends from ripping themselves off through poor maths skills!

Its funny to see American kids get really sharp with how many grams are in an ounce and ounces in a pound while buying marijuana or anything really when the same people gave fuck all about math in school.
September 10, 2016 at 6:06 pm

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@General Lighting 985903 wrote:

it is why we need testing (similar to the standards for electronic components, for instance all those valves would work in the same circuit no matter what nation they come from).

there is also a culture difference – in mainland Europe people plan their weekends well in advance and often take fewer pills when partying; they also have proper harm reduction education where the councils, schools, faith groups and secular organisations at least try and work together. Most importantly, many people do not begrudge the relatively small amount of Euros paid in tax to support this..

If I knew you back then I’d give you free ketamine just to watch you on it lmao
September 10, 2016 at 6:24 pm

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@tryptameanie 985921 wrote:

If I knew you back then I’d give you free ketamine just to watch you on it lmao

I usually preferred to take it alongside some stimulants, as it reduced the amount of mishaps I tended to encounter – and as I thankfully never got too much into the stuff there was a limit as to how much I could consume before it turned over my stomach.

At one rave in 2004 I had an overly large line, and shortly afterwards caused me to walk straight into a 0,5m trench dug to keep pikeys out of the site (obviously that didn’t work, as we had got in there :laugh_at:)

I then helped start up a genset with a sketchy starter cord (the correct one was missing) and thus got rope burned – then when connecting up an amplifier somehow managed to select a mains lead with an earth fault (this means about 120V appears on the metal frame of the equipment).

None of this actually hurt, until about an hour later….
September 10, 2016 at 6:36 pm

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@General Lighting 985922 wrote:

I usually preferred to take it alongside some stimulants, as it reduced the amount of mishaps I tended to encounter – and as I thankfully never got too much into the stuff there was a limit as to how much I could consume before it turned over my stomach.

At one rave in 2004 I had an overly large line, and shortly afterwards caused me to walk straight into a 0,5m trench dug to keep pikeys out of the site (obviously that didn’t work, as we had got in there :laugh_at:)

I then helped start up a genset with a sketchy starter cord (the correct one was missing) and thus got rope burned – then when connecting up an amplifier somehow managed to select a mains lead with an earth fault (this means about 120V appears on the metal frame of the equipment).

None of this actually hurt, until about an hour later….

Well if that anti-pikey defense couldn’t defeat anything but a young asian genius on ket, who managed to defeat it on his way in, that sounds about as good as that patchwork tin sheet of laughability that supposedly keeps the mexicans out
September 10, 2016 at 6:47 pm

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Looking back on it I’m amazed at what me and my mates managed to get up to and that the bulk of us survived in one piece, although unfortunately ket did ravage the insides of some of my friends (there are lots of horror stories about the stuff on here).

That said its often forgotten that MDMA (both pills and crystal) was not always poor quality in the 2000s but one reason ket became popular was that a lot of party people burned out from doing excessive amounts of MDMA fairly quickly or caned way too much sppeed and got pychosis, until the risks of long term bladder damage became apparent K was viewed as “safer”.
September 10, 2016 at 7:14 pm

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@tryptameanie 985923 wrote:

Well if that anti-pikey defense couldn’t defeat anything but a young asian genius on ket, who managed to defeat it on his way in, that sounds about as good as that patchwork tin sheet of laughability that supposedly keeps the mexicans out

We’re going to build a wall, remember?

Of course half the people in America illegally overstayed a Visa…
September 10, 2016 at 7:18 pm

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@General Lighting 985925 wrote:

Looking back on it I’m amazed at what me and my mates managed to get up to and that the bulk of us survived in one piece, although unfortunately ket did ravage the insides of some of my friends (there are lots of horror stories about the stuff on here).

That said its often forgotten that MDMA (both pills and crystal) was not always poor quality in the 2000s but one reason ket became popular was that a lot of party people burned out from doing excessive amounts of MDMA fairly quickly or caned way too much sppeed and got pychosis, until the risks of long term bladder damage became apparent K was viewed as “safer”.

I had a dealer in 2008 who was talking up how much better ketamine was than MDMA as far as health goes; he I think started to have lots of stomach problems.

K seemed marginally harder to get at the time and often a bit dodgier of quality than MDMA and as such I never got on the K train excessively but did jump on the opportunity to use some diverted from a vet’s office.

It is a wonderful drug though, its a U.N. essential medicine… Completely necessary for battlefield medicine and lots of other stuff.
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