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Agnostic perhaps?
ive never been baptised or christened, cause my parents said they wanted me to make my own decision when i was old enough to decide, rather than just force a religion on me when i was too young to know any better. straight to hell for me. 😉
What im saying is…
It seems to me that, from what the bible says, god condemns homosexuals for having sex (ever seen as they can’t have children) – a natural urge they have.
What im saying is that it doesnt make sense – if god exists why did he make people who have these feelings?
does that answer your question?
i know – pretty cushty – maybe i’ll just get away with a bit of purgatory??? who knows!
@xFadingObsessionx 243496 wrote:
Hold on, what’s wrong with gay marriage? Don’t even go all religious on my ass with this one. I’m Catholic and I’ve searched everywhere in the Bible about gay marriage and the teachings on it – gay SEX is not allowed for the sole idea that sexual intercourse should only be for reproduction, not pleasure. Many Christians read that and get the complete wrong idea and assume it means God’s condeming all homosexuals.
“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth…” is that where your ideas of Capital Punishment come from? As in, if someone kills, they themselves should be killed? Where has all your Christian second chances and forgiveness gone?
@ellie 243500 wrote:
come on – now your nit picking – exactly how many people do you think are in a gay marriage without having gay sex??
so god isnt condemning homosexuals – as long as they deny all the natural urges he gave to them??
You were basically saying what FO was saying was nit picking, because In the Bible It still does more or less say that Gay Marriage is a sin, and this can’t be bent because Gays are obviously still going to have sex when they are married – so Its an Invalid argument.
I was saying however, It Is a valid argument, because Straight people still are married under the same terms, and are not meant to have sex except for reproduction (right?). So gays can be married just the same, with the same “rules”.
@ellie 243621 wrote:
What im saying is…
It seems to me that, from what the bible says, god condemns homosexuals for having sex (ever seen as they can’t have children) – a natural urge they have.
What im saying is that it doesnt make sense – if god exists why did he make people who have these feelings?
does that answer your question?
Totally agree, maybe I misunderstood your point. I knew you didn’t believe the same as the Bible surrounding that and were just trying to make a fair argument.
Religion fucking religion is basically the summarised view of most people In this thread I think we can agree :laugh_at:
Ok, this is interesting…..
Yes I do believe in original sin. And you can’t compare gay marriage to straight…..God made man and woman for each other – His original plan. Some people interpret the Bible as saying that sex is only for procreation….I do not agree. If you are married sex is fifun or procreation. Homosexuality is a sin, and the feeling of a man towards a man or woman – woman is not (please do not kill me here – can’t put it exactly right) what God wants. Now mind you I am talking about GAY SEX, NOT the people involved. As for just why they have these feelings, that’s a subject I am not familiar or comfortable with.
HOW did this thread get on this slant – thought it was about politics?
Oh and Jonny, I am sorry if I made you so upset that you felt the need to scream at me like that. That was not my intent – truly. Can we debate withpout name calling and abuse?? Because if it has to come down to that, I decline. That was never my intent.:love:
@amyberthelet 243642 wrote:
Ok, this is interesting…..
Yes I do believe in original sin. And you can’t compare gay marriage to straight…..God made man and woman for each other – His original plan. Some people interpret the Bible as saying that sex is only for procreation….I do not agree. If you are married sex is fifun or procreation. Homosexuality is a sin, and the feeling of a man towards a man or woman – woman is not (please do not kill me here – can’t put it exactly right) what God wants. Now mind you I am talking about GAY SEX, NOT the people involved. As for just why they have these feelings, that’s a subject I am not familiar or comfortable with.
HOW did this thread get on this slant – thought it was about politics?
Oh and Jonny, I am sorry if I made you so upset that you felt the need to scream at me like that. That was not my intent – truly. Can we debate withpout name calling and abuse?? Because if it has to come down to that, I decline. That was never my intent.:love:
Well you are right, the human species as an organism is designed to reproduce through straight sex to further the species.
I believe In evolution and the basic science of life (Although I dont rule out the unknown…). To me life started as some tiny cell that reprodroduced Asexually. As the being become more complex in its design, through evolution we eventually came to be as we are now. Due to the complexity of our make up, it’s not suprising that sometimes come out different than our parent genes intended. For example, different gender preferences towards sexual desire.
However, all this comes down to, is tiny chemical reactions and electrical signals in the brain. All it means, is that somewhere during the growth of the person in the womb (MAYBE even during life) the chemicals given and the signals sent, differ on such a tiny level, yet changes something so “significant”.
Now, before you can judge that that person’s feelings are wrong, you have to ask yourself a few questions…
1. Are we still that basic that we base the usefulness of life on whether they can make more of us?
2. Is It a choice?
3. Would you judge someone who has dyslexia, or is not so good at maths?
That’s all It Is. So Considering the only difference shagging the opposite sex is making new babies, then I think you maybe need to look at other aspects of life and see the other 10billion ways they can aid the planet and man kind.
If God can’t understand the basic principles of human design, the how could he have created us? I think we are beyond the point of where thoughts and dreams and just “something” that happens in our head depending on the weather and if the crows flew past 3 times that day. Basic science.
This is what I don’t get about some aspects of religion. I mean, sure, I definitely admit there are so many unexplainable things out there. Including the existence of ourselves. However, I see religion mainly as an explanation for the unknown. I dont deny there could be something, doing so would be ignorant. But why follow one religion as if it were truth too, surely just as ignorant as dismaying the whole idea?
Keeping an open mind about everything Is the way to go. Not being open to new things, and being able to admit things you used to believe are wrong, is where the human society fails. If more people would have listened when one mad said the world was round, maybe they could have proved It sooner. Its all about developing your own Ideas, based on what you learn DAILY.
The fail of mankind is thinking we know It all, and not accepting our lack of knowledge long enough to learn something new.
Woweee… Did this thread get hijacked and turn into an exercise in dogwaffle…:laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:
Before I go any further here, I think I am going to need to add my tuppence to the general totally off topic debate (I find it hard to resist a large target)…
So…
God doesn’t exist (or if he does, he is so hopelessly insane and taking the piss at this point that he might as well not do)… Sorry if you’re a god boverrer, but there it is….. Actually no, I’m not, because the average bible basher states their opinion at others far more than the other way round – if you really want to discuss the existence or not of your celestial daddy who’s looking after you in this big scary world, go look at this thread: http://www.partyvibe.com/forums/spirituality-morality-religion/17236-religion-2.html#post242354
As for the discussion on the media being left or right wing in the US, I think the situation changes depending on your POV… If like Adolf, Hermann and the boys you think anything that doesn’t promote the master race and the worldwide domination of our great nation etc etc is left wing, then I suppose you could view the US media as left wing…
However, back here on planet earth, the fact that a large number of the big media companies (Fox, Cnn, Newscorp etc etc) are donators to the republican cause in the US tends to suggest that they are in fact leaning towards the right… Having had Reagan (another republican) do away with that pesky “fair air time” law I find it interesting (in a morbidly fascinated way) how much the US media gets away with brainwashing it’s people (which is really the only conceivable way such a large number could really believe Obama is a socialist – sorry, he isn’t. I’m a socialist (albeit a liberal one), and I think I’d be able to spot it if he was))
Which brings me quite neatly back on topic – I’m not sure if Obama is going to be a great president, only time will tell. But I congratulate the American people (a larger number than have ever voiced their will before) on creating the possibility of real change. Just the fact of a black president in the white house has caused a seismic shift in world politics and unity, and as a natural optimist I am hopeful that Obama can live up to all the expectations we have for him. And if he succeeds in nothing else, then he deserves congratulations for becoming the next milestone of Martin Luther King’s dream raaa
@xFadingObsessionx 243600 wrote:
No, I’m not saying that. I’m saying that if you do sin, as long as you are truly sorry, you will be forgiven. I’m not saying “Oh, go out and sin ’cause as long as you feel guilt, it’s okay” …
yeah. that’s exactly what i said.
you commit sin and then feel guilty and then you are sorry
you cannot reconcile your life with your religion.
@globalloon 243804 wrote:
yeah. that’s exactly what i said.
you commit sin and then feel guilty and then you are sorry
you cannot reconcile your life with your religion.
Exactly. Guilt is really relative to how you perceive your own life, and how you choose to move forward/develop yourself. I would prefer to think more positively rather than feel sorry for myself, which is more or less what guilt is. Negative thoughts breed more negative thoughts, and I suppose ultimately more guilt :weee: Not an efficient way to better ourselves at all… Preaching to the choir here on this one I suspect though (Yup, a pun :laugh_at: )
Noname, how can you honestly say there Is no god? To me, someone who wholeheartedly believes that, is just as bad as someone who blindly believes in a god. With the infinite amount of things human kind is yet to learn, how can anyone be so sure of something so important, with such little (or even no) evidence?
Im interested to hear your response to my last post, Amy. To me those points are the strongest end of my beliefs, and would be surprised if you could produce anything credible to counter them. Obnoxious as that sounds… And although I knock the rigidness In your beliefs, I think mine at least are flexible, as that’s the principle of them all. Whereas yours (as they seem to me at least) are set in stone, never to change. Seems daft in a world that’s never the same as yesterday.
I know with an debate as serious as this I can sound blunt or misunderstanding, that’s not it at all. I also like a challenge and a good debate hehe. Even If we can’t convince each other of anything, it gives us time to remember ourselves in what we believe in.
OK Dom, what you are saying is at least calm…..and yes, you’d be an Agnostic……
As far as my beliefs set in stone….I believe in a God who does not change, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He CAN change His mind, but He is unchangeable in that He is a righteous, holy judge and will NOT tolerate sin.
I believe that if there was evolution, then it was controlled by God…just the thought that all creation just ‘happened’ by blind CHANCE…. that to me is insane.
Can we take this to the ‘religion’ thread?
Yay for Obama! raaaraaaraaa
The only reason it is so important to you is because you have been taught that it is so… That doesn’t mean it is – it’s just what you’ve been taught. I really couldn’t care less one way or the other – the question of wether there is a god is of no real importance to me. I’m far more interested in discussions on the nature of the universe, or reality, not in wether there is a being who is responsible for creating or inventing it… The idea of a creator and supreme being is a very simplistic one to my mind – we are explaining the universe that way because we like things to be neat – ie “the universe exists, therefore it must have a beginning”. The real truth is I suspect a good deal more complex and involves having a perception of time and space that we are not currently capable of.
I believe that we will at some point evolve to the point where we are capable of perceiving the universe as it truly is. The anachronistic belief in a supreme being is IMO holding us back from doing that – hence I am happy to state and will do so again that there is no god…. It’s not a blind belief – I’m not parroting something some book has been telling me, it is simply my own deductions from the available evidence that I have seen…
If you want to believe there is one, then that is up to you (it is not my place to tell anyone what to believe) – I would not normally bother to say there is no god – the reason I did so in this particular thread is because I think it has been hijacked into another discussion of religion (which, as I pointed out has a thread of it’s very own…) The god discussions were beginning to annoy me (because they seem to be trying to take over the forum by changing every discussion to one on religion or god), and so I thought I’d shout the opposite view…. I wouldn’t really consider myself an atheist, or even an agnostic because on the question of god or not, I don’t actually care….
Back on point – Yaay for Obama…raaaraaaraaaraaaraaa
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