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Veal is lovely. The Wienerschnitzels they make in Austria are amazing.

Most meat IS unethical.
There is absolutely no guarantee the farmer that cultivates your meat products has treated them fairly.
Even if they have been treated fairly, they are still shipped to abattoirs and smell death before they reach their own end. (some have heart attacks before the initial slaughter)

As for dairy and veal, no mother deserves to have their baby taking away from them its abominable. No matter how high the living standards are.

I’m not saying being carnivorous is fundamentally unethical, but the way we do it is.
I just get a really good quality organic bit of meat in me once a month or so, and try to eat as much fish as possible.
You can try to live completely ethnically but it is a lot of hard work and takes over your life, however you can try a bit.

Theres a scale on morality and you just have to try and sway towards the ‘good side’ as much as possible.
I dont think basing your ( not you, in general )moral judgment on social norms is very logical but its what most people tend to do.

Because people will always eat meat (basic urges) Iv always thought boycotting meat in general is feeble. Its much more effective to encourage people to buy free range / organic local(ish) meat.
It tastes fucking brilliant anyway.

@Izbeckistan 532896 wrote:

I just get a really good quality organic bit of meat in me once a month or so

Giggity!

There was a morality thread here not long ago.
Although I understand it, I still percieve benevolence as objective. You use your empathy to relate to others and act on what makes them happy/ comfortable.
This creates a conundrum as different people like different things and some people cannot empathise. Such is life eh.

Any way I avoid philiosophy at the best of times because over analysing anything renders it insipid. Lol.

Personally I feel bad eating any meat any time I walk past the eggs in TESCO’s I get a mental image of the cute little baby chicks going “cheap cheap cheap” being fed into the meat grinder from the youtube video.

Ok so I eat steak and I like it allot, but I think veal is just one of those unnecessary foods. Do we really need to eat calves? I think the human race would survive without it. Fair enough if there is so called ethical veal. But the way non ethical veal calves are raised is just wrong.

I would love to be a vegan so I could get all high and mighty but truth is I am weak.

To answer p0lys question…. YES it makes you a plus 43 in my books

@Mezz 532922 wrote:

All true…………….. BUT

Fish stocks are also extremely low and at current rates of consumption unsustainable

We are omnivorous but dont need meat to live, we eat it because it’s nice, and it’s nice because it’s far richer than a veggy diet ( we would have to eat several times more veg and in greater variety to make up for lack of meat )

Farmed animals generally have a very poor quality of life…….. BUT if we didnt eat them the vast majority would not exist, not only because wild numbers would be a tiny fraction of current numbers, but also because some breeds are so domesticated they could no longer survive without us farming them.

On organics, yes all good so long as most people cant afford it, but we simply couldnt produce enough this way to feed everyone.

Basically animals are fucked because their are to many people, we need a people cull

Depends where you buy your fish from, my stepdads a fisherman and would go on about this for hours. ( in a nutshell the eu have a quota and share it for each country. England gets a tiny percent whilst places like iceland get a huge percent and comercial fisherman use very unfriendly methods whilst most smaller ones dont. Also the quota changed rapidly so you can accidently fish too much and get fines slapped on you)

Organic is expensive but you can afford it if you just eat less. (have mostly vegan meals and eat a steak or something at the weekemd)
In the UK money isnt really an excuse. Iv been on the doll and managed, and now on min wage still manage.

You’re right that it is unecassary fot survival but people will always crave it, maybe its an evolutionary thing?