Weed IS a Drug

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June 28, 2012 at 11:41 am

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LysergicAcid

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in the past people like Timothy Leary would say LSD is not a drug and if weed is not a drug are mushrooms? they are picked from the ground and afaik no one adds chemicals like with cocaine and heroin?
June 28, 2012 at 11:49 am

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Pat McDonald

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Well, dihydrogen oxide is a coolant used in nuclear reactors, clearly a very dangerous chemical. There are calls to ban it.

Facts About Dihydrogen Monoxide

Ban DiHydrogen Oxide Petition

Which just goes to show, the majority of people are reactionary, badly informed kneejerk smallminded fuckwits. :/
June 28, 2012 at 11:56 am

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LysergicAcid

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Easy on the french there.. There is no need a lash out like that
June 28, 2012 at 12:06 pm

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Pat McDonald

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Harsh words, yes. Bettter than harsh actions – “better jaw-jaw than war-war”.
June 28, 2012 at 12:14 pm

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LysergicAcid

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it is better then harsh actions but its a shame that drug taking and even just talking about it brings so much violence and anger.. regardless of weed is a drug or not it changes nothing people will continue to use it non stop and it will always be illegal..

Going to a psy rave now is just bad for LSD taking as its full of people who want to start fights, I miss the good old days when I could comfortably go to a rave and trip all night and feel safe to do so.

but back on topic… weed is a drug.
June 28, 2012 at 12:29 pm

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Pat McDonald

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@LysergicAcid 485701 wrote:

Going to a psy rave now is just bad for LSD taking as its full of people who want to start fights,

Ah, but if the stewards / party guardians have some non-lethal chemical sprays like Sativex, then it’s possible to stop the thugs from being so aggressive. More humane than pepper spray or tasers. Use with a vaporizer and it becomes a chemical crowd weapon (still non-lethal though).

Would have come in right handy at the Warp Experience on occasion, when the guys with gals got pasted by the guys without girls (not common but it was known to happen).
June 28, 2012 at 12:38 pm

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LysergicAcid

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True but even that is enough to put you into a bad trip that becomes your worse nightmare but the security does a good job.
June 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm

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norfolk-partier

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didnt have time to read the whole thread, so some of this may have been covered, but weed is definitely a drug. its fucked me over big time. got major depression, very high dose of happy pills, suicide watch, couldnt function properly, was predicted all A’s at GCSE, still passed them, but that because the first year i wasnt smoking it and got mostly A’s and B’s, second year i barely scrapped C’s, and A levels? dont even ask… my results spelled DUC DUUD. anyway, had a break for 6 months and now smoke it again, but i keep on top of it and dont let it consume me again.
personally, i think it is a drug, but still the most harmless one going. for example, you cant OD on it, so it can take along time to find your limit, whereas with alcohol, you go past your limit and you fucking know. i think people just need to find their limit with the stuff. but hey, thats just my theory 🙂
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June 28, 2012 at 12:50 pm

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Mezz

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@LysergicAcid 485666 wrote:

I know people who would go crazy if they went a day with out weed, I never saw anything good about it and whiteys omg nothing gets rid of them fuckers and you sit wishing the high to END.. I get happy when I feel the stuff waring off LOL then I swear to never get stoned again..

lol yeah first time I did a bong, must have been about 14, I whitied, puked and sat on the floor in a cold sweat lol Was my cousins fault, I had only ever had a few tokes on a spliff before that and she loaded that sucker up with a really strong mix and passed it to me, one of her really pretty friends who I liked was in the room and everyone else took a hit so I wasnt about to say no, but ended up very embarrassed. I swore I would never do a bong again lol ………. although I did a few months later
June 28, 2012 at 12:58 pm

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General Lighting

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@norfolk-partier 485707 wrote:

didnt have time to read the whole thread, so some of this may have been covered, but weed is definitely a drug. its fucked me over big time. got major depression, very high dose of happy pills, suicide watch, couldnt function properly, was predicted all A’s at GCSE, still passed them, but that because the first year i wasnt smoking it and got mostly A’s and B’s, second year i barely scrapped C’s, and A levels? dont even ask… my results spelled DUC DUUD.

Other than not going that far into the mental health system (or maybe not being prescribed the any further medication by the NHS) that was very similar to my own youth but my weed use was tiny compared to what a 18 year old can get today.

I don’t disagree weed is a drug and must be treated with respect, but I think a far bigger problem here is the sheer amount of pressure put on young people – not only are there exams there’s stuff like “fitting in with your peer group”, relationships with family, friends, girlfriends/boyfriends all of which is emoitionally demanding, so hardly suprising youths turn to weed or any other drugs to cope.

even for non drug using young people (I’ve got younger friends from the party scene but also work with “straight headed” young people, some of them are my staff :laugh_at: ) I get the impression all the fun and spontaneity has been sucked out of their lives to the point they are all grown up by age 26 and less adventurous than I am at age 40 which surely isn’t right?
June 28, 2012 at 3:17 pm

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p0ly

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I don’t get the whole Weed makes you peaceful stuff pat. yeah some people get chilled out from it but i know a lot of angry fuckers who have extreme outbursts and they are all part of a group of bong users who need weed or they fucking lose the plot… kind of reminds me of how you lose it sometimes on this forum, maybe you haven’t had your fix.

But you’ve clearly been stuck in your pro weed state of mind for so long you’re convinced it’s true, just like a religious person wouldn’t wanna think they wasted their lives believing a load of bullshit.

Anyway man this is a happy place and people can disagree with each other, I’m glad you disagree makes for better reading and IMO the replies to you make you look more wrong and I’d think others would perceive it like that. Just my perspective got no issue with you and still want to chat to you via instant messaging (maybe you forgot though because that drug you smoke makes your memory shitter… JOKE ahha) peace x
June 28, 2012 at 3:31 pm

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General Lighting

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@p0ly 485725 wrote:

I don’t get the whole Weed makes you peaceful stuff pat. yeah some people get chilled out from it but i know a lot of angry fuckers who have extreme outbursts and they are all part of a group of bong users who need weed or they fucking lose the plot…

I’ve seen this too but from my experience (I’m going back to my own teens now where my peer group would be the same lot I knocked around with from high school and in some cases junior school) the angry lads were always like that, drugs or no drugs. They were just naturally questioning of authority, rebellious and so would have been attracted to drugs as well.

TBH I can be worse even stone cold sober (if I really wanted to do something bad I do it sober so I can think it through, plan it well and avoid detection if required) and the only things what stop me from being angry or doing bad things are simply because I’ve got a good job, a reasonable amount of money, and because over the years I’ve got a reputation for being one of the good guys and thus even get by and large left alone by feds and other authority figures in spite of fitting a number of criminal profiles both local and national.

So I’d rather be a free man able to enjoy what I’ve earned than banged up in prison or mental home for doing something stupid. I can however understand why those who have less (or are simply determined to see a cause through to the end like many terrorist attackers) feel more angry and will “do bad shit”.

but I don’t think drugs, any drugs change personalities all that much. They might unlock inhibitions and make someone do something which isn’t “normal” but the capability to do that was already in that person. MDMA for instance is supposed to be a fun/happy drug but there are some folk I won’t associate with when they are on it because they turn into complete fucking nightmares to be with, doing stupid impulsive things that could piss off others and result in fights and/or folk getting arrested.

That said I find weed makes me paranoid (not aggressive), even MDMA makes me uneasy unless its a really fluffy happy atmosphere which you clearly don’t get at dance events any more (as both Pat and Lysergic acid have mentioned, and I always thought psy events were “fluffier”) – and I’ve not touched any of them for years anyway. when I did go out I’d only take a moderate amount of a straight stimulant so I didn’t drop my guard and put myself at risk. in the end I stopped attending EDM events as I no longer enjoy them though I still like the music. maybe when I am 45 or so I’ll go to one of them Dutch trance events, I will know enough of the language by then and not need to worry about being “old” when all the DJ’s and probably a fair few of the punters will be my age too :laugh_at:
June 28, 2012 at 6:04 pm

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Mezz

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Hmmm the paranoia bit of the discussion

Paranoia is a fact, BUT it’s hard to know on this one if it’s the drugs that make you paranoid or just being around people not on drugs thinking ‘OMG they know’ that makes you paranoid lol

If recreational drugs were legal, would users still get paranoid ???
June 28, 2012 at 6:11 pm

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General Lighting

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@Mezz 485734 wrote:

Hmmm the paranoia bit of the discussion

Paranoia is a fact, BUT it’s hard to know on this one if it’s the drugs that make you paranoid or just being around people not on drugs thinking ‘OMG they know’ that makes you paranoid lol

If recreational drugs were legal, would users still get paranoid ???

Depends on the environments but I would say yes as people will still be judgemental about drug use. In some EU countries where drugs have been decriminalised its been countered by a backlash from the religious groups which hasn’t of course stopped drugs but has created a climate where folk are clearly still not free to discuss their use.

I look at it this way – its discouraged and in fact illegal in most of Europe (or all of it?) to be racist in public. but as someone who is from a ethnic minority group I still have to watch my back in certain situations and its not even as if I go drinking in the same pub as the local BNP – even in supposedly friendly territory like dance events I need to be careful.
June 28, 2012 at 10:53 pm

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know_hope

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@LysergicAcid 485701 wrote:

Going to a psy rave now is just bad for LSD taking as its full of people who want to start fights, I miss the good old days when I could comfortably go to a rave and trip all night and feel safe to do so.

i’ve never seen anyone at a psy night start a fight… except at glade this year when i did see a fight but i think that was between a stall guy and a non-psy-looking guy who i’d prejudicially guess was there for the dnb tent…….. actually now i think about it i have seen chav types at psy nights just there in the background n one time i was at some party in a forest and a group of chavs came up and stole my mdma right out my hand – v. aggressive like (it wasn’t mdma, cos i bought it there by mistake for £30 – should have known better). when i go to trance nights sometimes is funny that u see the guys with the champagne bucket near them and they always start ruckin but generally people on e and psy drugs dont fight (do they?) – cos its fuckin impossible (as bill hicks would say [talking about weed])

@norfolk-partier 485707 wrote:

the first year i wasnt smoking it and got mostly A’s and B’s, second year i barely scrapped C’s, and A levels? dont even ask… my results spelled DUC DUUD

i went 1.5 years at uni without smoking weed and i thought i was working so much better and was really preaching it, then at the start of the 3rd year i started smoking it again and smoked every day and it was my best year of work… but now im away from uni, if i smoke weed i generally dont do anything thats taxing, but i guess its different for everyone…

@norfolk-partier 485707 wrote:

i think it is a drug, but still the most harmless one going. for example, you cant OD on it, so it can take along time to find your limit, whereas with alcohol, you go past your limit and you fucking know

i disagree. i think weed is more manipulative of the brain in long term effect than alcohol, but none of these comparisons are black and white. when i smoked as a teen i think it affected me a lot and i think it affected how my personality developed a lot, but now it doesn’t seem to have an effect so much in that way. alcohol doesn’t seem to warp the mind so much but ‘in the moment’ can make you behave in crazy ways but then the next day u just have a massive headache and maybe some bruises but then u can get on with it and you’re still the same person, whereas weed stays in your system for ages and can slowly twist your mind. for me, i will be a more well rounded person if i were to have a couple of pints every night rather than a couple of joints, but thats just me (clearly more healthy just to drink tea, but for a comparison…) that said, i think there are some +’s from smoking weed aswell. when we were kids we’d get stoned and have deep discussions about things and i feel like that had some positive affect…

@p0ly 485725 wrote:

I don’t get the whole Weed makes you peaceful stuff

imo weed makes you passive, not necessarily peaceful, but for some i think it does… when i smoke weed now i just get this background anxiety building up all the time, whereas if drink a little mostly, im fine. but that maybe just cos i tend to smoke it every day if i do. is probably fine if u just do it for fun…………………. but then rastas look like they’re genuinely chilling (as in – not anxious)

@Pat McDonald 479094 wrote:

The one exception that I know of – cannabis. You cannot ingest a lethal dose. Because it doesn’t have a toxicity level.

i bet if u just kept on eating cannabis non-stop eventually you would die… im not sure what of, maybe just cos your stomach got too big and explode… or just from ‘killer munchies!’

@p0ly 485725 wrote:

Just my perspective got no issue with you and still want to chat to you via instant messaging (maybe you forgot though because that drug you smoke makes your memory shitter

i had a heavy weed phase and ever since i’ve noticed (as other people have also) that i have a very bad memory… :/

@p0ly 485725 wrote:

Just my perspective got no issue with you and still want to chat to you via instant messaging (maybe you forgot though because that drug you smoke makes your memory shitter

i had a heavy weed phase and ever since i’ve noticed (as other people have also) that i have a very bad memory… :/

oh yeh, back on topic (as with lsa)… weed is probably a drug, i’m probably a person, you’ll probably not get attacked by a shark unless you’re wet, but can you really be sure about anything?
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