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what if every single person claimed the accomodation they lived in as their own
“i don’t need to pay rent, this is my house”
“I don’t need to pay my mortgage, this is my house”
etc
?
Bank charges/rates and Council Tax would shoot up no doubt. I feel you are looking for a much happier answer though.
“i don’t need to pay rent, this is my house”
“I don’t need to pay my mortgage, this is my house”
etc
?
economic collapse/recession and civil war would result, as the value of investments in property was diminished and the owners of rented properties would seek to defend their resources from people deemed to be “stealing” them.
Also there would be no revenue stream to pay for construction of new properties, and the young able people who would build them would probably be all getting killed and injured in the civil war.
It would knock this country back to the Stone Age and make contemporary Baghdad a more pleasant place to live in.
There is though a need for more equitable property and an acceptance of the need for unconditional social housing – not this half-arsed “market based” solution of shared ownership that is going around at the moment.
why? more than half the population rent, so more than half the population would suddenly have far greater disposable income. that could lead to a huge economi boom as people were able to afford to invest in businesses, shares,spend money, save money etc
there are more than enough houses already
forget the civil war for a moment
i don’t agree
i don’t want social housing. half of the houses in my street are council owned and the other half are privately owned. I rent one of the privately owned ones. almost all of the people living in the council houses have no reason why they don’t earn as much as me, except that they are lazy and a shabby welfare system allows them to manipulate it to ensure they live a comfortable life without working
i want to own my own house, without making some middle class property investor richer than they already are
i think it should be illegal to own more than house until every family / single person owns their own accomodation
The problem is the middle classes and landowners in this country aren’t going to just give away the power they have from owning property, and how do you propose you would get away with what is essentially taking this power away from them?
There would never be a consensus, whilst there exists a powerful support base for the right to own individual property and maximise the profit made from this. it is what much of the Worlds “society” is built on whether we like it or not.
Also wiping out the value of the investment portfolios of millions (by reducing the admittedly artificial values of their property) would create an instant bear market due to paranoia/FUD alone – hence the economic recession.
there are definitely people from the upper and middle clases who would fight to defend their views and ideals; perhaps using their reserves of firearms and improvised explosives.
In the USA during the 1920s there’s an infamous incident of a property owner blowing up an entire school (complete with kids) as part of a suicide attack because he was “forced” to contribute via taxation to the building of this school. He refused to pay his taxes and destroyed both the school and his own property to prove his point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
More recently (1990s) and closer to home a farmer in Essex ended up getting the major incident units brought out as he had attached a device to a high pressure gas pipeline going through his land to “solve” a land rights dispute. In Bosnia during the 1990s communities displaced from their properties (albeit in this case by real force of arms from rival communities) would deliberately destroy or booby trap them to try and prevent the “ursurpers” from making use of them.
They would even sacrifice high value objects such as television sets which were wired to explosives, or worst of all childrens toys were booby trapped with explosives and left for the “newcomers”.
Add to this the risk of CBRN contamination of water supplies etc… A lot of these middle england investor types work in the military industrial complex and have access to all manner of “stuff”. I would not underestimate their response (consider the acts of “Middle England Terrorism” that occured when fox-hunting was banned)
There are people on the “other side” (ie. those who support individualistic capitalism) who are as passionate and as angry as we are and some would inevitably take matters into their own hands to make sure this “socialist experiment” failed and there would be potentially a serious fight ahead. Even those who did not want to use violence would pull out their capital from the country; the USA would probably declare GB to be “axis of evil” and withdraw more investments/tourism etc.
That said such a revolutionary scheme could work in the long term but there would be a cost in hardship, lives and national stability – it is after all not dissimilar to the socialist revolutions of the early 1900s…
I do agree with you though there should be some form of restrictions on people having second homes and holiday homes; as they are creating problems in areas such as SW and Eastern England by denying particularly younger people affordable housing.
Also if the more onerous planning regs were relaxed and people were able to build their own homes (perhaps with the otherwise unemployed contributing to the labour) this would be a good start.
i want to own my own house, without making some middle class property investor richer than they already are
i think it should be illegal to own more than house until every family / single person owns their own accomodation
i totally agree with that it totally gets on my nerves that lazy slobs can get their hands on decent size houses for f##k all,they seem to have the mentality of the more kids i have the bigger house and bigger welfare cheque i get,most of who haven’t done a days graft in their lives and have no intention of doing so.I work my arse off all week(as do millions of others)and i have done sinse i was 16,paid my taxes done everything to the book(tax/work wise anyway:groucho: )and what do i get for it,f**k all cant get a mortgage cant get a council flat just pay some old git a fat wedge every month for him to get richer and me nothing to show at the end of it.While these lot just sit around doing sweet f all on our hard earned cash,c****!nothing interlectual to say just thought it sounded like a good idea apart from the fact i’d be out of a job(being in the building trade)and i fancied a bit of a rant.rant over.
I agree that the undeserving often get houses but “social housing” is no longer just for the unemployed / young families these days – its a term for any low(er) cost housing including rented housing or those “dual ownership” ideas (daft things IMO)
the market has forced prices up so much that a lot of normal working people actually live in these “projects” along with the doleites
I know lots of people who live in these projects and they work rather than sign on but they can’t afford a mortgage. Many are a curious mixture of youths and geriatrics all forced together – (and then the cops wonder why there is so much hate and crime).
also like you said middle aged people buy up all the houses in the “working class” areas in town to let them out as an investment when they already have a house; suffolk and essex is full of this
TBH I think the civil conflict is gonna start soon anyway as people on both sides will take matters into their own hands…..IMO Its only the drugs/drink I reckon which stops this country kicking off and with the Govt clamping down on this the anger is gonna spring forth very soon.
you’ll have plenty of work to do then fixing up what’s left……
dont get me wrong i know there are people that (i think)do have a right to these homes single mums,people genuinely not able to work due to health etc.But were i live(and i would assume in many other places in the uk)people play on this big time.I know single young females that freely admit they want to have a kid just to bump them up the housing list because thats the only way they can see of getting proper accomidation :you_crazy but they are in this situation because they are stuck in minimal wage jobs and because theres so many people that abuse the system,which is severly flawed,this seems like the only way forward.So this would “force” a person willing to work and contribute to sociaty into another figure for the DSS.As for cival conflict i think everyone is too caught up and involved in their own little world to look at the bigger picture or to get off their asses and do somthing about it,they would rather just moan about it to anyone who’ll listen(guilty as charged).
It wouldn’t be the first time i’ve got work out of a bad thing though,done a bit of work in hemel hamstead a few weeks back were the fuel tanks went up,how no one died i dont know but it was lucky it happened in the early hours.
I think its a bit more subtle than that.
Its not so much “Disgusted from Essex” putting on his tin helmet and gathering up improvised weapons Dads army style just yet (although it may happen) ; its more a matter the 10-16 year old children from “bad familes” actually (and perhaps unknowingly) slowly destabilising British society by forming gangs and starting off with vandalism/arson then moving on first to fighting each other and those who challenge them, and a slow escalation of violence.
I’ve been closely reading crime news reports for 10 years (initially to keep an eye on how cops were policing raves) and I’ve noticed a definite escalation in violence on the streets, including people being murdered by gangs when they challenge youth on the streets or try and stop a girl being beaten up etc… then theres all the random fights – for instance the youth of Colchester decided to “celebrate” this years good weather by having a big brawl in the park; TBH the only reason similar things don’t happen in Ipswich is because there are cops and CCTV everywhere.
And out of the “decent people” they aren’t going to give in to these feral youth – some will want the cops to help; others will take matters into their own hands, particularly if they feel their communities are threatened.
fairplay i know what your saying about the rise in crime its getting ridiculous here
http://archive.basildonrecorder.co.uk/2006/9/27/239698.html
(hope i done that right)one of these,jay clarke was at 5 in the afternoon in the town centre,after it happened it turns out that the cctv has not been working for 2 months.Crazy.I personally put it down to the fact that recently basildon has had an influx of people from certain parts of london(some deal the council have apparently made)but it might of happened anyway who can tell?anyways im off out now have a good night mate!
i am pretty disenchanted with the ‘social’ housing around here
i have friends who are in low paid jobs, cant afford anything other than a council house and it takes years to trade up the council housing stock just to get an extra bedroom despite the fact that the Loreburn housing association has built several new estates in the last 8 years [which then get filled with heroin junkies from towns in a 60 miles radius of us rather than the local homeless people]:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy
and the housing that local people would have inhabited before? sold to retirement age people at stupidly large prices no one around here can afford as second homes:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy pricing the locals out of the market – who is going to do those low paid jobs that are all you can get around here when they cant afford to have a place to stay? :you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy they are all moving to the cities
a second countryside clearance only now instead of burning the roofs of their houses to stop them returning they sell the houses to incomers at huge profits
:rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant:
a second countryside clearance only now instead of burning the roofs of their houses to stop them returning they sell the houses to incomers at huge profits
:rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant:
exactly the same here (and in Oxfordshire as well) – worst of all its people driving out their own children. the moment I cycle more than 6 miles out of Ipswich I just don’t see many below the age of 40 (apart from young teens who still live with their families) and those older locals I do see (other than those on bicycles) [1] view me with absolute suspicion
[1] there is something about cycling which actually unites generations and cultures…
i should have been at a party tonight, but i didn’t have the cash for petrol
so i ran a roulette / shebeen at my house instead, for food money
despite working full time in a managerial position
one half of my income goes on rent. one quarter goes on income tax & national insurance. one tenth goes on council tax & water rates. that leaves 15% of my hard earned for other utilities (gas, electricity, phone, internet) food, and other essentials
neither of my neighbours work. my taxes pay for them to sit at home.
your argument that taking ownsership of the house i rent causing civil war doesn’t add up. at present there are millions of people in my position. there is no civil war right now, yet the current situation is far more perverse than the one i am suggesting.
if i took possesion of this house, it would be at no ‘cost’ to the ‘owners’; they use me rent £s to pay a mortgage to a bank, plus a small profit for themselves. they could simply stop paying the bank. i could pay the bank the sum they originally lent for this house, minus the rent i have paid in the last 2 years, in cash (about £40,000)
in reality, they make a tiny profit, while a bank makes a heafty profit out of us both
i say fuck them both in the face. if all the millions of people in my situation said the same, we would arrive at a democratic situation where working people could own their own house without paying out unrealistic sums of money to people who had done nothing to deserve it
the village i was born and grew up in had a significant industrial infrastructure; timber import and fishing. the ‘property’ (land) this infrastructure was built on (timber yard and fishing warehouses) was owned privately and when the owners realised housing was worth enough, they killed all the jobs and built luxury apartments where the jobs were
there is nothing there now but rich, retired people living in what was a thriving, working community that had been established for hundreds of years
a handful of land owning families were able to sell out the entire community
this is not some communist manifesto
this is serious civil injustice & destruction of employment infrastructure, withthe sole intention of artificially inflating the price of houses to exclude the majority working class
i’ve had e-fucking-nough
too often we hear about how the sound that resonates from a party is ‘unacceptable’ by the very same people that have stolen our homes, destoyed our communities and support carpet bombing of countries that pose no threat to us
i am at bursting point
any suggestions welcome
i’ve had e-fucking-nough
too often we hear about how the sound that resonates from a party is ‘unacceptable’ by the very same people that have stolen our homes, destoyed our communities and support carpet bombing of countries that pose no threat to us
i am at bursting point
any suggestions welcome
all of what you say is true; but eventually people will realise what is happening and when the working classes start fighting back, the landowning families obviously aren’t just going to give up which is why the ultimate consequence (if not solved my a majority consensus which in this divided country is highly unlikely) is civil war….
what you suggest is a good idea and it isn’t full on socialism but its a limitation of the market economy which is going to encounter resistance from those with land/power… I know of no nation in the world where land rights reform has been achieved peacefully. Some European countries have slightly better systems with regard to land ownership but they have been achieved via bloodshed in previous years.
the first violent actions won’t come from the working classes, they would come from the landowning classes and people would be striking back in self defence or out of spite – I often wonder if the ban on pistol ownership in 1996 was also implemented because a lot of middle englanders were arming themselves against a perceived influx of criminals from the city… ( a lot of legally held pistols were kept in drawers in private houses “in case of burglars”)
look at how when hunting was banned they were trying to saw down electricity pylons/poles and fighting with the same cops who otherwise defend their property, also a lot of them withdrew from commmunity organisations.
the muddying of the waters comes from the 1980s though; during the Thatcher era where a lot more were able to “own” property (although the title of land still belongs to the Crown) and thus feel they are part of the landowning classes. it seems to be a British disease as well, people are more easily divided and conquered despite British people having a lot of power within themselves. People think they are middle/upper class when they get a mortgage or because they can afford a high-value motor car; and then feel they are above others.
TBH I think this is why British society is slowly deteriorating; by creating so much division and competition the kids who can’t get what they falsely think they are entitled to are starting to turn to crime… also when even those who aren’t violent/criminals try to get some release by having a relatively harmless rave they get the full force of the establishment pushing back at them; the result is hopelessness and anger…
the rich (or even the not so rich) may be able to afford their houses, but increasingly people can’t walk about safely at night…
so i ran a roulette / shebeen at my house instead, for food money
despite working full time in a managerial position
one half of my income goes on rent. one quarter goes on income tax & national insurance. one tenth goes on council tax & water rates. that leaves 15% of my hard earned for other utilities (gas, electricity, phone, internet) food, and other essentials
neither of my neighbours work. my taxes pay for them to sit at home.
your argument that taking ownsership of the house i rent causing civil war doesn’t add up. at present there are millions of people in my position. there is no civil war right now, yet the current situation is far more perverse than the one i am suggesting.
if i took possesion of this house, it would be at no ‘cost’ to the ‘owners’; they use me rent £s to pay a mortgage to a bank, plus a small profit for themselves. they could simply stop paying the bank. i could pay the bank the sum they originally lent for this house, minus the rent i have paid in the last 2 years, in cash (about £40,000)
in reality, they make a tiny profit, while a bank makes a heafty profit out of us both
i say fuck them both in the face. if all the millions of people in my situation said the same, we would arrive at a democratic situation where working people could own their own house without paying out unrealistic sums of money to people who had done nothing to deserve it
the village i was born and grew up in had a significant industrial infrastructure; timber import and fishing. the ‘property’ (land) this infrastructure was built on (timber yard and fishing warehouses) was owned privately and when the owners realised housing was worth enough, they killed all the jobs and built luxury apartments where the jobs were
there is nothing there now but rich, retired people living in what was a thriving, working community that had been established for hundreds of years
a handful of land owning families were able to sell out the entire community
this is not some communist manifesto
this is serious civil injustice & destruction of employment infrastructure, withthe sole intention of artificially inflating the price of houses to exclude the majority working class
i’ve had e-fucking-nough
too often we hear about how the sound that resonates from a party is ‘unacceptable’ by the very same people that have stolen our homes, destoyed our communities and support carpet bombing of countries that pose no threat to us
i am at bursting point
any suggestions welcome
know totally how you feel savage money grabbing bastards,there was people on the radio friday boasting they owned 5 houses,i got angry, enough said and the fact us working to blow the crap out of people that have done us no harm:mad_curse .if you find a sensible suggestion let me know because i’ve only got angry irrate ones :ar15: if everyone suddenly decided to use the goverments tactics against them,the lies,the stealing,the whole look after number 1 attitude,instead of just taking all they say and do as the right way,like we have all been programed to do….mmm anarchy :satisfied
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