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May 7, 2008 at 6:23 pm

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i want a reform in drugs laws as well .. but i dont belive its going to happen .. not in my life time any way
May 7, 2008 at 6:25 pm

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Greb wrote:

Do you think this will get passed into law then GL?

Cliffy, most people here would say they wanted reform for drug laws… and so for all these people it represents a step in the wrong direction.

I can dig that mate that people want a change in drug laws but it ain’t never gonna happen. I think it’s stupid myself but we all know deep down it’ll never change, Not for a good few years yet anyways! :love:
May 7, 2008 at 6:33 pm

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General Lighting

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Greb wrote:

Do you think this will get passed into law then GL?

fairly likely, after all the reduction in class did and that would have been even harder to get past

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Cliffy, most people here would say they wanted reform for drug laws… and so for all these people it represents a step in the wrong direction.

it takes two to tango though..

When it was class C drug users had a chance to self-regulate their use, to not encourage more problematic supply chains but they fucked up. Also I know a lot of people who didn’t quite go mad, but didn’t do much else with their lives (for a few years at least) apart from get stoned, and some could actually be fairly agrressive and irritable if there was a supply problem.

binge culture is as much to blame here as babylon oppression..
May 7, 2008 at 6:34 pm

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Heh, but if everyone says ‘its never going to happen, so I wont bother’ it never will happen! Mebe im just idealistic in my youth. :weee:

Im not even sure if/what i’d legalize if it were up to me. What makes my blood boil is the fact that the laws are so inconsisant… fair enuf if the government wants to protect us from ourselves but at least get the classifications right!

*rants about ketamine in Class C…*
May 7, 2008 at 6:38 pm

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GiantMidget

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Well for one thing I’d hate to see cannabis legalised. I actually proper detest the stuff, I’ve had a few good mates fuck their lives up from weed and mates now who are showing the same signs. It’s more down to skunk though, i think it’s fucking vile stuff! :yakk:
May 7, 2008 at 6:39 pm

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General Lighting

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Greb wrote:

Heh, but if everyone says ‘its never going to happen, so I wont bother’ it never will happen! Mebe im just idealistic in my youth. :weee:

I lived through the change in the 80s/90s when drugs became readily available compared to any previous era

they may as well actually have been legal for the last 10 years, the only reason attiudes don’t change is my generation fucked up and still overdo them (like in one local news report a 41 year old man overdosed on smack and he had only just started on it :you_crazy)

the actual onus is on your generation to use drugs responsibly.

if more of the current youth end up going uni or doing decent jobs rather than ending up in HMP for real crime (i.e theft or violence) or bawling to the NHS to “rehabilitate” you, and more are reponsible users, then attitudes are perhaps more likely to change.

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Im not even sure if/what i’d legalize if it were up to me. What makes my blood boil is the fact that the laws are so inconsisant… fair enuf if the government wants to protect us from ourselves but at least get the classifications right!

*rants about ketamine in Class C…*

be careful what you wish for though, there is still a strong mindset worldwide that prohibition works given enough resources devoted to enforcement..
May 7, 2008 at 6:46 pm

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Greb

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General Lighting wrote:

fairly likely, after all the reduction in class did and that would have been even harder to get past

it takes two to tango though..

When it was class C drug users had a chance to self-regulate their use, to not encourage more problematic supply chains but they fucked up. Also I know a lot of people who didn’t quite go mad, but didn’t do much else with their lives (for a few years at least) apart from get stoned, and some could actually be fairly agrressive and irritable if there was a supply problem.

binge culture is as much to blame here as babylon oppression..

You can’t expect people to behave a certain way at that sort of scale though. When you’re talking about a market of a million or so people, it all comes down to supply and demand. I reckon that a person is smart, but people are sheep. 😉

I think you’re putting words in my mouth… im not ‘down with teh babalon’ at all. I just think the governments position is untenable and that the change in the law is motivated more by votes than by the interests of the population. Even if you come from the most rabid rightwing anti-drug perspective there are plenty more pressing changes to be made to protect people… so why arent they being changed?
May 7, 2008 at 6:53 pm

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General Lighting

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Greb wrote:

You can’t expect people to behave a certain way at that sort of scale though. When you’re talking about a market of a million or so people, it all comes down to supply and demand. I reckon that a person is smart, but people are sheep. 😉

if they behave like sheep then they will end up being led…

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I think you’re putting words in my mouth… im not ‘down with teh babalon’ at all. I just think the governments position is untenable and that the change in the law is motivated more by votes than by the interests of the population.

why would a government in a country with “normal” elections not behave otherwise? in the West most people get what they vote for. Its just unfortunate that many have on occasions chosen to vote away true democracy for whatever personal reasons, or people happen to make free choice that we don’t agree with.

There are plenty around who took drugs in the 80s/90s yet who now believe they should remain illegal, not because of media brainwashing but because of what they saw happen to themselves and their friends… there are also political parties even in Britain with more enlightened attitudes to drugs, but they don’t get voted in!

Its worth looking at the wider world picture as well, consider how nations fight to the death over religions and resources, yet their govts and the bulk of people in this world still agree drugs should be illegal..

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Even if you come from the most rabid rightwing anti-drug perspective there are plenty more pressing changes to be made to protect people… so why arent they being changed?

perhaps the idea isn’t to protect people? the risk of death or harm is also used as much as a “deterrent” as the ineffective laws, and a plentiful supply of dangerous drugs actually culls out the greedy and/or stupid.

Thatcho would have let this country be flooded with heroin in the 80s had she stayed in power and abolished the NHS – the idea being that the unwanted people were essentially being allowed to kill themselves.

my extended family come from Malaysia, where they enforce death penalty against many drug users. you’d be shocked at how many white British people I have encountered (including police officers) who express support for the harsh policies of SE Asia.
May 7, 2008 at 10:36 pm

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bring in the conservatives alot harder for them to egt away with putting down the working class than it is for labour

i was at work when this came on the radio and i chucked a cd at the wall, made a shit day that much worse

is this going to push pirces up, so ridiculous, they went against what the drug people adviced thats whats worse, there is no hope, protest lets all go smoke loads of joints outside downing street
May 7, 2008 at 10:43 pm

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GiantMidget

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JonnyQuest wrote:

bring in the conservatives alot harder for them to egt away with putting down the working class than it is for labour

i was at work when this came on the radio and i chucked a cd at the wall, made a shit day that much worse

is this going to push pirces up, so ridiculous, they went against what the drug people adviced thats whats worse, there is no hope, protest lets all go smoke loads of joints outside downing street

How about we do it the south park way and have a massive orgy instead?! :weee:
May 7, 2008 at 10:43 pm

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MisterDuck

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DJCliffy wrote:

Oh boo fucking hoo!! Does anyone really care that cannabis has gone back to class B? I mean is it really gonna stop you smoking it?? It ain’t gonna change a goddamn thing imo.

it will not stop anyone smoking it no

but it means the penalties will be stricter for such a harmless thing anyway, harmless as in its principle freedom, it doesnt harm anyone else so why should it be wrong

it’ll no longer be a caution if you are caught but you’ll have to be pulled into the station and formally charged court-side
May 7, 2008 at 10:46 pm

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MisterDuck

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JonnyQuest wrote:

bring in the conservatives

wouldnt go that far mate 😉 haha

you feelin any better now? gutted u wasnt there on sat!
May 7, 2008 at 10:47 pm

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its no different than it was 5 years ago wont stop people smoking thats for sure ……………….

wonder if they will ever classify alcohol ??? does way more damage than weed FACT

but there making plenty of tax of that along with cigs to both will defo kill ya but both are legal

tbh it pains me to think about all those mediusers of weed like people with ms,cancer etc etc

they should be allowed weed full stop this just makes there situation more unbearable

what a…

crock of shite !!!:yawn:
May 7, 2008 at 10:49 pm

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JonnyQuest

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boothy wrote:

wouldnt go that far mate 😉 haha

you feelin any better now? gutted u wasnt there on sat!

still pretty rough man, iv seen vids n that i am absolutly fucking guttedi was in bed by 11 lol u looked wasted in the morning lol
May 7, 2008 at 10:50 pm

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GiantMidget

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boothy wrote:

it will not stop anyone smoking it no

but it means the penalties will be stricter for such a harmless thing anyway, harmless as in its principle freedom, it doesnt harm anyone else so why should it be wrong

it’ll no longer be a caution if you are caught but you’ll have to be pulled into the station and formally charged court-side

I doubt OB will do you for having small amounts any stricter now than they did before. Didn’t you hear what the top cops have been saying? They all say there not gonna change how they deal with cannabis possession. It’s all a bunch of arse! :you_crazy
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