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May 7, 2008 at 10:53 pm

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General Lighting

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I suspect its going to be used to clamp down more on the blatant street dealers and smokers and immigrant-based gangs more than anything.

also if the price goes up on the street then I would have thought most groups of trusted friends could surely be resourceful enough to grow their own? this isn’t like K or pills where people need a lab full of dangerous chemicals what are watched by the home office, it appears to be as simple as looking after houseplants…

or the other option is to smoke slightly less – same as in the early-mid 90s..
May 7, 2008 at 10:53 pm

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boothy wrote:

wouldnt go that far mate 😉 haha

you feelin any better now? gutted u wasnt there on sat!

Mate you slag the torys off all the time but round our way we have a conservative MP and he is an absolute legend. He’s sorted out Hemel far better than any other party could ever could. If they can improve hemel as they have then i hope they (Conservatives) win the next election. 😉
May 7, 2008 at 10:54 pm

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DJCliffy wrote:

I doubt OB will do you for having small amounts any stricter now than they did before. Didn’t you hear what the top cops have been saying? They all say there not gonna change how they deal with cannabis possession. It’s all a bunch of arse! :you_crazy

thats not too bad then. the only thing that concerned me was the idea of a court-case for a spliff on me

the skunk scare is justified i think but also massively exagerrated. and the point of movin it upto class b makes no sense… the only way to get rid of skunk would be to take one step the other way and declassify and get it regulated. also there are less users now its c.

my mate grows it so i’m pretty sorted for standard weed. fuck that skunk shit. but then when have dealers been the most responsible of people…
May 7, 2008 at 10:57 pm

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iv got an oz of imaginary purple haze on the way this class b thing will make no diffeerance it just shows the govenment doesnt give a shit what the drug advisors say if it will egt them tory votes
May 7, 2008 at 10:59 pm

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Thats the thing man, these days when you say cannabis and weed, the automatic assumption is your talking about skunk (Not you personally but the general pop) I remember the days when skunk was only smoked on special occasions . Used to love that we’d get a bag once a month and it was a real fucking treat! Then people started smoking it everyday and the troubles started! :you_crazy
May 7, 2008 at 10:59 pm

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JonnyQuest wrote:

iv got an oz of imaginary purple haze on the way this class b thing will make no diffeerance it just shows the govenment doesnt give a shit what the drug advisors say if it will egt them tory votes

the government has never given a shit what the drug advisors say. Around 1989-1991 the forerunners of these advisors were telling Thatcho and Major how little risk the new rave drugs were compared to nastier things like smack and barbiturates, but they didn’t listen to the scientists either..
May 7, 2008 at 11:00 pm

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DJCliffy wrote:

Mate you slag the torys off all the time but round our way we have a conservative MP and he is an absolute legend. He’s sorted out Hemel far better than any other party could ever could. If they can improve hemel as they have then i hope they (Conservatives) win the next election. 😉

there might be one alrite candidate but the conservatives getting into power would be a fucking disaster, not that new labour arent.

its just political opinions really i suppose

i’d say its a bit odd to be working class or part of an alternative scene (or drug user) and vote conservative though. to me that’d be contradictory
May 7, 2008 at 11:01 pm

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DJCliffy wrote:

I remember the days when skunk was only smoked on special occasions . Used to love that we’d get a bag once a month and it was a real fucking treat! Then people started smoking it everyday and the troubles started! :you_crazy

yep, saw that happen as well

I also suspect the reclassification is to make it easier to deport foreign growers and dealers, although I’m not sure what the score is for Vietnamese – I think they make them do their stretch in Britain and deport them as a spent sentence because of human rights laws (otherwise the Vietnam govt could hang them on arrival under their laws)
May 7, 2008 at 11:01 pm

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DJCliffy wrote:

Thats the thing man, these days when you say cannabis and weed, the automatic assumption is your talking about skunk (Not you personally but the general pop) I remember the days when skunk was only smoked on special occasions . Used to love that we’d get a bag once a month and it was a real fucking treat! Then people started smoking it everyday and the troubles started! :you_crazy

i think that if the government dont want to legalise it fully we should do what spain does

allow people to grow a certain number of plants for their own personal use
May 7, 2008 at 11:15 pm

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JonnyQuest

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you get born onto a planet and your not allowed certain things or you egt locked away, what a joke
May 7, 2008 at 11:20 pm

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GiantMidget

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boothy wrote:

there might be one alrite candidate but the conservatives getting into power would be a fucking disaster, not that new labour arent.

its just political opinions really i suppose

i’d say its a bit odd to be working class or part of an alternative scene (or drug user) and vote conservative though. to me that’d be contradictory

Man all parties are the same these days, All full of bollocks!

Theres nothing contradictive about being a druguser etc and voting for the conservatives imo. When we voted that MP into power he saved our local hospital so i think it was a good move really! (Seeing as i’m a regular visitor there anyways!) :weee:
May 7, 2008 at 11:32 pm

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there is nothing any British political party can do until the UN single convention is amended

this isn’t like war where the Yanks back us, as they are equally anti drugs

if a UK govt or that of any EU country tried to be brave and legalised or decriminalised drugs the CIA (or even angry yank right wing individuals with money and power) would ensure loads of US companies withdrew investment from that nation, causing economic recession and an inevitable political shift to the right wing..
May 7, 2008 at 11:34 pm

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General Lighting wrote:

there is nothing any British political party can do until the UN single convention is amended

this isn’t like war where the Yanks back us, as they are equally anti drugs

if a UK govt or that of any EU country tried to be brave and legalised or decriminalised drugs the CIA (or even angry yank right wing individuals with money and power) would ensure loads of US companies withdrew investment from that nation, causing economic recession and an inevitable political shift to the right wing..

protugal and the neterlands dont seem to be doing any worse off
May 7, 2008 at 11:48 pm

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JonnyQuest wrote:

protugal and the neterlands dont seem to be doing any worse off

to an extent they aren’t as dependent on US trade as the UK is as they don’t speak English nor do they have the “special relationship”

however its not 100% decriiminalisation for Portgual but more enforced rehab etc and the risk of a discretionary fine/criminal penalty

I do remember some US investment pulling out of NL although a lot of this is also due to globalisation

but there has been a shift to the right wing in NL and a tightening up of their drugs laws (in part a backlash against immigrants because many dealers are perceived to be “foreign”)

their right wing political parties want to eventually shut down the red light districts and weed cafes and these parties are gaining more support.
May 7, 2008 at 11:52 pm

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this is PT’s laws

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National drug laws

The legal framework in place since July 2001, although decriminalising illicit drug use, maintains drug use as an illicit behaviour and also maintains the illegal status for all drugs included in the relevant United Nations Conventions. However, a person caught in possession of a modest quantity of drugs for personal use, without any suspicion of being involved in drug trafficking, will be evaluated by a local Commission for Drug Addiction Dissuasion composed of a lawyer, a doctor and a social worker. Sanctions can be applied. Hhowever, the main objective is to explore the need for treatment and to promote healthy recovery.
Drug trafficking may be sentenced to 1 to 12 years imprisonment depending on different criteria, one of them being the nature of the substance supplied. For users who sell drugs to finance their own consumption, the penalty is reduced.

so its not so much being “let off”, (although I expect overworked coppers may occasionally do so same as they have even done in the UK) but similar to our Caution Plus scheme in Britain

Also Spain increased its penalties in 1992 (before that drug use wasn’t a crime!) the law there is a bit woolly and appears to permit personal use at home but not possession or use in public (which TBH is no different from England, as you are very unlikely to get busted at your house unless you are grassed up) – but cultivation is still a crime so someone with plants would still get busted and have to argue the active levels in court (same as UK again)

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Organic Law 1/1992 of 21 February 1992, on the Protection of Citizens´Security, introduced provisions of administrative sanctions to punish the possession and use of drugs in public places. Before this act possession and use of drugs were not prohibited by Spanish law.[/FONT]
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