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  • Holeydel;307196 wrote:
    You mean you can die from that shit?? I better slow it down a little…

    Well depends where you partake in the art of masturbation. If you do it on train tracks then the risk slightly increases. However masturbating in a field is less dangerous. All depends where you are really.

    Holeydel;307194 wrote:
    I’m curious at whatever possessed him to compare ecstacy to horse riding in the first place – what a random comparrison… :crazy:

    both are popular pastimes in Britain…I live in a sort of bumpkin area where there are both lots of horse riders and drug users, and I read about far more people injuring themselves falling off horses than from overdoses…

    DontBeliveTheHype!;307188 wrote:
    prof. nutt .. haha what a cool name …

    i hate the way people get fired for speaking there mind .. just goes to show what a controlling “free” sociaty we live in

    he hasn’t been fired, its just one whinger calling publically for this from a campaign group, not even an elected politician or Civil Servant so should not be able to influence a Civil Service HR issue.

    David Raynes is a former HM Revenue and Customs officer who appears to have left the service (or got pushed out) due to anger against how times are changing and low-level recreational use is being tolerated within society. (he is also alleged to have links to very controlling religious / cult groups such as scientology). I remember he also did some really dodgy stuff like befriended a cannabis campaigner actually got a lift back with the guy and covertly tape recorded a private conversation and then passed this (and details of his motor car) to the cops :hopeless:

    As a former enforcer he would not be familiar or accepting of the concept of academic freedom, where someone like a professor is allowed and encouraged to contribute to their own personal articles as well as their work!

    I expect Prof Nutt and others have realised that the 1990s culture where there was more good pills taken and less alcohol was in hindsight much better for this country than todays binge drinking! OK there was a rise in domestic incidents on the midweek comedown but it must be overshadowed with the constant culture of drinking making groups of friends/couples angrier…

    General Lighting;307226 wrote:
    he hasn’t been fired, its just one whinger calling publically for this from a campaign group, not even an elected politician or Civil Servant so should not be able to influence a Civil Service HR issue.

    David Raynes is a former HM Revenue and Customs officer who appears to have left the service (or got pushed out) due to anger against how times are changing and low-level recreational use is being tolerated within society. (he is also alleged to have links to very controlling religious / cult groups such as scientology). I remember he also did some really dodgy stuff like befriended a cannabis campaigner actually got a lift back with the guy and covertly tape recorded a private conversation and then passed this (and details of his motor car) to the cops :hopeless:

    As a former enforcer he would not be familiar or accepting of the concept of academic freedom, where someone like a professor is allowed and encouraged to contribute to their own personal articles as well as their work!

    I expect Prof Nutt and others have realised that the 1990s culture where there was more good pills taken and less alcohol was in hindsight much better for this country than todays binge drinking! OK there was a rise in domestic incidents on the midweek comedown but it must be overshadowed with the constant culture of drinking making groups of friends/couples angrier…

    i thoght some one might pick up on that .. i know it looked like i thought he was fired .. but i didn’t i just couldn’t be bothered to elaborate as i was tired … but just the fact that the posibility was there is what i was getting at … the same situation a diferant time he could well of been fired. .. with enough publicity his superiours could of felt backed into a corner.

    DontBeliveTheHype!;307262 wrote:
    i thoght some one might pick up on that .. i know it looked like i thought he was fired .. but i didn’t i just couldn’t be bothered to elaborate as i was tired … but just the fact that the posibility was there is what i was getting at … the same situation a diferant time he could well of been fired. .. with enough publicity his superiours could of felt backed into a corner.

    unfortunately thats the flipside of freedom of speech, that idiots like Raynes (who was fired from HMRC for incompetence) are even allowed to spout their opinions when he should have no more right to influence the Civil Service than any other citizen

    Anyway professor Nutt and his committee has been saying stuff like this for 10 years if not more, just that last time it happened Blair was in power and the economy was doing well so no one got that angry (although of course the drug classification change never happened)

    This hippy woman who is also a social worker showed me this paper from 20 years ago when thatcho was in power and it was the same Home Office committee (but with a different name) and although Prof Nutt wasn’t there and MDMA wasn’t well known, even then the scientists had much more liberal views..

    I think the govts argument isn’t even a scientific one, its a political one, if we reduce drugs penalties then foreign nations whose leaders disagree will remove vital investment from the UK and make the economic sitation much worse…

    General Lighting;307221 wrote:
    both are popular pastimes in Britain…I live in a sort of bumpkin area where there are both lots of horse riders and drug users, and I read about far more people injuring themselves falling off horses than from overdoses…

    this is about mdma tho .. not all drugs (or are you talking about mdma overdoses?)

    DontBeliveTheHype!;307382 wrote:
    this is about mdma tho .. not all drugs (or are you talking about mdma overdoses?)

    I think to OD from Md you need to take about 5 grams.

    DJCliffy;307388 wrote:
    I think to OD from Md you need to take about 5 grams.

    i’m sure you can op on a lot less than that ..
    some dude died from droping a g in one go … but thats diferant to speading it out .. i am sure some people could easyly od on 2-3 g

    DontBeliveTheHype!;307382 wrote:
    this is about mdma tho .. not all drugs (or are you talking about mdma overdoses?)

    yep – MDMA (either in crystal form or pills) certainly was (and perhaps is) as popular in East Anglia as ketamine or any other drugs… and until the zero tolerance clampdowns I was partying with a large group of people who were doing huge amounts of MD and not suffering any major problems/

    it was in Western England where the unfortunate lad died from doing a whole gram in one go.

    However I met a few people in East Anglia what could do half gram bombs without any major ill effects (other than the comedown and lethargy midweek). I would agree 2/3 grams is a potentially dangerous dose, but thankfully market forces kick in and stop too many people doing this as it would be way too expensive.

    General Lighting;307397 wrote:
    yep – MDMA (either in crystal form or pills) certainly was (and perhaps is) as popular in East Anglia as ketamine or any other drugs… and until the zero tolerance clampdowns I was partying with a large group of people who were doing huge amounts of MD and not suffering any major problems/

    it was in Western England where the unfortunate lad died from doing a whole gram in one go.

    However I met a few people in East Anglia what could do half gram bombs without any major ill effects (other than the comedown and lethargy midweek). I would agree 2/3 grams is a potentially dangerous dose, but thankfully market forces kick in and stop too many people doing this as it would be way too expensive.

    and the majority of people (unless they had a tollerance) wouldn’t want to take this much any way as there would either be no need .. or they would start to feel shitty b4 they got to that point (or too tired to carry on as they may have spaced it out over a long period of time .. say 8-10 hours of a night)

    I know someone who once (accidentally) took 30 sweeties in one go – they came from Amsterdam too – he was bringing them back, and made the mistake of using the swallowing them in condoms technique for doing so – 3 of the condoms burst in his stomach, and each one had 10 sweeties in it, so likely around 3g + of MD hit his system all at once (on the way through customs too – he said he felt it start to hit, and the next thing he remembered was waking in hospital, feeling great, and then wondering what the copper was doing by his bed… :crazy:)

    OD’s are one of those funny things – what some people will take without harm, another can end up dead… And this random occasionally killing someone business that they make such noise about isn’t just exclusive to drugs or alcohol – every chemical has the potential to do it, and you can overdose on pretty much anything – even vitamin C has a researched LD50 (the lethal dose in 50% or more of test subjects) – it’s very high (something around 12g/kg), but thats the lethal dose in 50%, and obviously there will be a spread across the entire spectrum of dosages… For paracetamol, the LD50 is only 143mg/kg which means a dose of 13-14g will likely kill most adults, and toxicity starts to occur at far lower doses than this… Bit worrying when the therapeutic dose is 1-2g – makes for a fairly small dose window, and yet most people think nothing of knocking back a few paracetamol for their hangover… Don’t see any mention of the fact that your hangover cure (to paraphrase the numpty) “can and does kill unpredictably. There is no such thing as a ‘safe dose’…”

    The whole point of having scientists look into these things is to get an objective viewpoint from intelligent people who have studied them… Don’t see the need for fools who come along and trot out some unqualified piece of dogma that has no scientific bearing on the subject to be printed at all… Pity most of those fools seem to be politicians who aren’t actually looking for any objective scientific viewpoints, and just want the results to mirror what they already think, or to fall into line with their political agendas… :you_crazy

    S’pose it’s what we get for choosing our national leaders by popularity contest rather than ability to actually lead and/or think straight…

    EDIT a little off topic: Just went off and read the governments response to the annual ACMD report (the one in which they accepted all recommendations esxcept for the one saying it should stay class C)….

    Hysterical reading – I’m still reeling from the bit where they say that making the sentences harsher and more likely to involve jail terms isn’t going to increase the need for prison spaces :you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy:laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:… We’re going to jail more people for cannabis offences, but not need the actual prison space for them??? Milo Minderbinder would have been proud of that one…. The document is here if you want to see what kind of lackwits are currently in charge of the country….

    In comparison, the liberal democrats policy paper on the subject makes for refreshingly sensible reading – they seem to be the only ones who have a grip on effectively doing away with prohibition while still maintaining the international agreements the uk has signed previously…. Voting liberal democrat at the next popularity contest then methinks… Has to be better than the current Red Tory/Blue Tory coin toss/choice/lack thereof…

    Getting back to the REAL subject here obviously… :you_crazy

    Holeydel;307196 wrote:
    You mean you can die from that shit?? I better slow it down a little…

    Sorry ladies of partyvibe, you probably never really wanted to read that…

    DJCliffy;307204 wrote:
    Well depends where you partake in the art of masturbation. If you do it on train tracks then the risk slightly increases. However masturbating in a field is less dangerous. All depends where you are really.

    You could kill your manhood by ripping it off and then that would cause you to loose alot of blood which you could die from so… Yeah, go careful there :love:

    :laugh_at::laugh_at:

    EADT – Horse accident leaves woman in hospital

    EADT – Horse bites boy

    East Anglian Daily Times

    in just a couple of months – yet not a single MDMA overdose reported…

    Quote:
    A TEENAGE boy was taken to hospital this morning after he was bitten by a horse.

    how imbarising:laugh_at:

    DontBeliveTheHype!;307752 wrote:
    how imbarising:laugh_at:

    we believe the horse was under the influence of some sort of tranquilzer, we’ve sent it to rehab

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