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  • 5_foot_fairy wrote:
    hi ow,haha thats a typical example of the type of person who is likely to lose their head on drugs!my mates the same recently she seems to think shes god’s gift to xtc!because i took ALOT in eitp and didnt really lose my head shes acting like she will be the same.@ the end of the day ive been taking them for a year and a half longer than her & ive always had ppl like jamie around me telling me to pace myself & making me aware of the risks.when i try to do that for her she brushes me off saying she knows best & well you took ‘x’ amount in eitp but she doesnt realise just bcos i did and was ok that she wont necessarily be ok too.i dont have the niave attitude that she has towards them…..i became quite immune to them cos i took them loads…so wot did i do?stopped taking them for a while(been bout 5-6wks now).what does she do?takes more & the messes she gets in-well lets not get into that lol.personally i think your brother’s mate sounds very immature if he thinks he could cane his own wait in vodka!!!that would be a stupid thing to try but after about a litre and a half,where he’d probably conk out after spewing his insides out,he’d realise how wrong he was.

    hehe yeah but this guy did drink 1 litre of vodka b4 we went to that thing in ammanford and took another litre with him also he had like aloada k and p’s and mdma + a fuck load of other crap and the more shit like that he does the bigger his head gets ubt no way can he drink a mans worth of vodka for one basicly you would be replacing all the water in your body with vodka cosnidering the majority of a humans body is water lol vodka for blood not helthy :annoyed: . yeah sounds like you m8 better b careful like i mean if i tried to keep up with my brothers or even keep up with jamie it could fuck me up, just take as much as you need one pill is enough to send me of my head for most of the night so all i buy is one pill ya know. and yeah its always good to have sum1 who knows what theyre doin around like when i took my first p when iwas coming up i started being sick and stuff and to be honest it shit me up but i had my bro there telling me i was ok and i was just coming up and i would b fine which mentaly put me in a better state. then again my bro went raving in london and this kid was being sick and that and he was comforting him saying exaclty that and then he died of an overdose later that night which is pretty worrying ya know so if yer m8 sees u doin loads imattiating aint a good idea :annoyed: <— haha this is girning like a mofo angry my arse.

    You’re right about fishing being more dangerous than raving (I look at emergency service websites loads to see what cops are up to and you read about all the drownings and rescues etc) – but when people go fishing they can take precautions when going out such as wearing buoyancy aids, making sure the Coastguard knows where they are if they are at sea, and not using carbon fibre rods where there are power cables about on inland waterways….

    we can do the same to look after ourselves, which is what this site is all about really..

    Its the teenage/early 20 years which are the danger zones. You actually think you are indestructible (I used to think that) and peer pressure easily makes you cane more and more.

    There is a real bingeing culture as well with both alcohol and drugs in the UK, some of the quantities I see teenagers consume nowadays shock me…. and now drugs are cheaper and more available than they ever were.

    luckily I was one of the first people to obtain harm reduction info via the Internet (in 1991, before it was officially released to the normal population!)

    Doing so got me in 2300 hectares of shit at college (they were very angry that I was using their resources to store “pro-drugs” info (although much of what I had was balanced stuff which advocated moderation)) but probably saved me from worse consequences (even so I overdid things in the old skool days).

    The real dangers though aren’t so much from overdosing – but the more subtle problems like family and personal relationships breaking down or friends falling out with each other over drug use, spending money you haven’t got on drugs and turning to crime, or getting into a relationship where it is just lust and drugs rather than love and ending up having kids before you can look after them.

    way too many people I know fucked themselves up and burnt themselves out too quickly. Out of a posse of about 20 of us from my estate who first went raving in 1991/2 about 3 are dead, various others on giro in unstable relationships with kids to look after that they can’t afford, or addicted to crack/smack or using needles. Many have been in and out of HMP and mental institutes for various reasons.

    Thats a hell of a lot of screwed up people and disrupted families, (not to mention the cost to the NHS and other taxpayer funded authorities) – not surprising society doesn’t like raves all that much!

    somehow I have managed to end up with a relatively decent job, and stable lifestyle whilst still finnding the time to party – in some ways it was luck and a supportive family (very important) but a lot is up to yourself and how you live your life….

    i know wot u mean ow..im soo lucky to have my brother around me and the people i do when i do drugs because i know they aren’t going to let me go overboard if i ever,for any stupid reason,decided i wanted to.me and my best mate of 4 years are no longer talking because of how shes changed by them and personally ive done all i can to help the girl so im not interested now.yeah id help her if she was in serious trouble but if she aint going to listen shes going to have to learn the hard way & have a bad trip or something!!ah well i just wish undereducated people were easier to get through to,i mean im only like a year older than her,if that & yet shes so bloody immature it frustrates me! :mad_curse silly bugger

    5_foot_fairy wrote:
    i know wot u mean ow..im soo lucky to have my brother around me and the people i do when i do drugs because i know they aren’t going to let me go overboard if i ever,for any stupid reason,decided i wanted to.me and my best mate of 4 years are no longer talking because of how shes changed by them and personally ive done all i can to help the girl so im not interested now.yeah id help her if she was in serious trouble but if she aint going to listen shes going to have to learn the hard way & have a bad trip or something!!ah well i just wish undereducated people were easier to get through to,i mean im only like a year older than her,if that & yet shes so bloody immature it frustrates me! :mad_curse silly bugger

    the big danger for girls (apart from health problems) is there are lots of predatory older males about – particularly the lads in their late teens and 20s who were brought up after the “politically correct” 80s and have less respect for women…

    they see a young girl who thinks she is a “rude gal” and will give her free drugs etc, lifts to raves but expect something else in return, like casual sex or one of those “trophy” relationships…

    she thinks she is getting respect and being treated like a princess but eventually she will just get a reputation as a sket and would be at serious risk of an unwanted pregnancy, and she will be the one left holding the baby (or the NHS/her parents picking up the marie stopes bill) – or even finding the “dream bloke” becomes controlling and violent on comedowns…

    the trauma of this usually makes these girls give up drugs but by then their looks, their enthusiasm and their ability to love have all been rinsed and they have fucked up their life way too young..

    seen this happen to too many of the young rave girls over the years (probably another reason why girls quit at a younger age than blokes)

    for the blokes this doesn’t happen as much (unless they end up sleeping with some old woman who feeds them with drugs, but most boys who do this know the score,,,) but there is a danger of getting drawn further into crime, even violent crime, if they run up big debts at an early age..

    i know of the dangers that blokes can be at times-thats why im not stupid enuf 2 walk around alone & im not willing to get in a car with a stranger for a lift to a rave or for anything else…..girls who do this i just dont get.how people can be soooo blind i’ll never know!

    5_foot_fairy wrote:
    i know of the dangers that blokes can be at times-thats why im not stupid enuf 2 walk around alone & im not willing to get in a car with a stranger for a lift to a rave or for anything else…..girls who do this i just dont get.how people can be soooo blind i’ll never know!

    coming back to the original thread somewhat, this is actually a potential danger of Ecstasy – it makes you drop your defences and inhibitions and people (irrespective of gender) can often do things they regret afterwards – anything from cheating on your partner to crime and violence (I’ve known lads here to take pills before fighting or nicking cars etc)

    /me realises that last comment makes me sound even more like a chav…..

    i know exactly what your saying…but we kinda have a rule that if’ you dont know them..you dont go with them’ so unless at least another person in the group knows you know a person well,we dont allow each other to go off with them.you cant be watching your m8s like a hawk the whole time but tha generally keeps up all together n safe neways x

    thats a bit fucked up lighting dude 3/20 thats some head fucking stuff m8. Personaly i dont believe it when ppl say yeah taking e’s is less dangrouse than drviing a car or going fishing because its difficult to compare the 2 because how do you know the odds really because yeah more ppl might die in car accidents but people drive like every day and most people unless their right pill muchners dont take e’s everyday. just think the 2 are a little difficult to compare. :cyclop_1:

    yeah its important to have sumone with you who has their head screwed on i meen me and mel both have older brothers to go raving with who know the score and have seen it all b4 and anyway jim would never let any skanky fuck go near his little sis. oh mel i think this thing is going on will just have to speak to me bro about it this week kk. oh yeah btw itl b fine to bring a m8 i was just saying keep it a bit hush hush 😎

    ZeRasta wrote:
    thats a bit fucked up lighting dude 3/20 thats some head fucking stuff m8.

    I know much of this is harsh – but unfortunately, all of it is true. I would not put it on the board in public if it wasn’t. In 14 years of raving all this stuff has happened to friends of mine. There are worse things and memories which I’m holding back on, as some of it I find too painful to put on public message boards even now…

    but at least if its out in the open perhaps someone else can make a positive move because the story of someone elses tragedy made them think about their actions. some of the stories I’ve seen other users put on (particularly in the heroin thread) have definitely kept me off smack….

    at the moment it isn’t looking too good in some places. it seems some kids/young people just don’t bother with raves or pills any more and go straight to crack or other class As!

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    their right pill muchners dont take e’s everyday. just think the 2 are a little difficult to compare. :cyclop_1:

    I think the problem is people become too paranoid about being killed by party drugs. This is actually very unlikely; when you worked out deaths as a ratio against the number of times you take part in a risky activity its often found that party drug use is “relatively safe”.

    IMO The real dangers are the ones I mentioned, bad life decisions that fuck you (and others close to you) up for years afterwards. that can be worse than dying….

    yeah me and ow are lucky to have brothers who look out for us like.ah right wicked-i hope it does,i was meant to be going to see Yoji in Escape this saturday but its £15 door tax n ive already seen him this year-along with Lisa Lashes n Mis Chiff-so im not really up for paying the same price i did 2 see three headlining djs,just to see one(if u get me).obviously just get Jim to let me know or email me…i told Danielle that id stay with her this Saturday as i cant be fucked to go out so it’ll be her thats with me.My brother will tell you a bit about her,shes really nice girl like,was down the rave in caswell the other day,doesnt do pills or drink much either so wouldnt be a pain in the bum hehe.neways like i said keep me posted cos id most definetely be up for it :satisfied i love things that come pretty much free!

    was checking up on the “safety” or otherwise of ecstasy, apparently its 20 deaths per year from the drug out of over a million users….

    its about the same danger as riding a bicycle in London (and less dangerous than going on the tube, and that was before the bombs)

    Does MDMA have an ‘expiry date’? Will it go off if you have it for too long? I’ve had some in a dodgy bag for about 2 weeks, will anything have happened to it? or will it?

    Thanks

    Ben

    yeah good point m8 i mean i didnt bother checking the statistics on it but most of the time when people say that they havent done any research. but like alot of things the media trump it up like mad whenever anyone does die from it they kinda jump aboard it like with the case of that girl taking 1 on her b-day they have loads of videos to try and shock you without giving you the facts (like the risks you mentioned of it destroying your relationship with your family or friends etc.) . But i supose the shock factor must disuade some kids from doing it at an earlier age and maybe trying it on later in life or not doing it all together.

    oh btw m8 ive never heard of it going of just as long as the bag was somewhere clean and safe to ovoid it being contaminated it should be ok, in the end its just chemicals.

    shock tactics only work when there is a real danger of death or serious injury through the risky activity (such as a film they used to put on telly when I was a kid which showed a boy catching fire because he touched the live wires in the electricity substation, or the harsh films about not going on the train tracks).

    however, if kids see people doing drugs and then not immediately keeling over and dropping dead like in some cheesy film where someone drinks from a blue bottle marked POISON, the message is somewhat diluted.

    incidentally this is a very good site about E

    http://www.mdma.net

    a balanced view, and although very detailed and “brainy” there are loads of links which explain much of the complicated stuff if you are not a doctor or other medical professional/scientist.

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