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Yes bro’ it is possible to beat a serious addiction without the use of anything’
My only real point to make here is, as you say, there is more than one way to kill this problem’
There are many plants that can help.
But seriously the only way is to stop being childish and grow up’
It is hard, granted, but it is most definitely worth it’
I help treat clients that have been through the mill so to speak’
Everyone runs to their doctor at the first sign of pain.
Substatute opiates just mask the problem, and also give no space for the person to deal with of why he uses because he is still boxed on Meth or Subbies’
The two above are way way more addictive than “H” so if you really want t get a handle on your using. STOP!!!
It is a simple thing to do’
You will only cluck for two weeks, then you can get on with your life and also start to deal with the emotional stuff of why you used’
You can’t do any of that on “Method one crowd control’ (Methadone)
A good majority of folks that get a script of Meth end up living their whole lives on the shit.
Drug administration agencies do not follow protocol of a Methadone regime’
Methadone should only be used for weening off of opiates not maintenance.
I know of people that get 100ml of green every day and have been doing so for the past ten years’
I know of people that take 6ml of Meth a day and still can’t get off’
So obviously the doctors root does not work’ it just prolongs the agony so to speak’
Ibogaine is not an instant cure, like detoxing yourself it takes a lot of work, but it can help, especially when all else has failed’
We use other regimes also to help folks get off and stay off’
Abstinence in most cases and a remodeling of ones life and goals is of what we try to show to people’
Your desire is less the longer you abstain’
Find triggers that get you all twisted up and work with them in a such a way that the client can rechannel this enrgy in other ways’
Craving last only ten minutes’
You can’t hold the emotion any longer than that unless you feed that emotion’
If you understand how to re channel the energies away from feeding the emotion to use, then the emotion fades and the craving goes’
Most of hard substance use is about the lifestyle’
The looking and seeking is the rush’
Actually having the hit of of “Scag” is the anti-climax so to speak’
“H” doesn’t give of the same reward as say “Cocaine”
Actually getting the hit is some what of a let down’
Many people can’t use smack until they are addicted physically to it’
It just makes them throw up and be very ill’
So the anchoring is kind of squiffy, you seek the hit to get high, in the end you need the hit to be straight’
It is all about education and how we learn to cope with life and all that it can chuck at us’
It is possible to get a handle on a serious addiction’
It takes strength and self respect to vercome ones own problems’
But “Boy” do you feel damn good after you have “Won” and succeeded in beating the problem at hand’
Be well’
Blessings’
Motamba’
People have died from taking your heavily promoted wonder drug.
At least one person who died had taken it previously with no ill effects and then died on taking a second dose as your accounts posted on partyvibe seem to encourage them to do.
There are 9 officially recognised deaths from this drug so far that I have found in a short period of researching it – possibly more exist where it was not recognised as being a contributing factor?
There are no miracle cures for anything – just individual paths which allow some of us to reach specific goals. One person’s path will not necessarily work for another and you have no right to judge whether other people are failures. The world is not black and white, there are many shades of grey in between, and it may be that along the way of the slow cure people taking that path may have learnt things that you have not.
If ibogaine worked for you thats great but dont pour scorn on others efforts because they have chosen a different path to the one which worked for you or try to suggest that yours is the only valid path to achieve what they strive for. I also note that you describe those who have disagreed with you as childish.
Hardly confidence inspiring stuff.
So far you have evangelised your chosen path to the point of spamming threads here on this forum – perhaps a bit more fact and a bit less ‘ibogaine is a wonder cure’ might cause people to look into it in more depth if that is what you wish to achieve.
You could have linked them to the large body of research and reference which exists on the internet and allowed them to make their own minds up on whether it might work for them rather than tried to browbeat them through sheer volume of words alone into your way of thinking…Perhaps you would rather that they simply looked up to you as the oracle of all wisdom and treated you as a guru? [If this is the case I question the purity of your motive in offering to help others – it may just be a massive ego trip for you]
I note from a search on ibogaine, as you keep recommending, that the price for treatment can be as much as £2000 + on the first ranked site – is this why you are pushing it so hard? Do you administer the miracle cure and get paid for it?
Oh I see you have answered my question:
I guess you do get paid/benefit from administering the drug and therefore are pushing it hard to increase your own income – hardly the altruistic approach you were trying to portray in some of your posts.
We dont mind hearing that it worked for you and changed your life for the better – just keep the evangelising to a minimum and deal in facts which can be verified from external sources you can link to.
If you want to waffle with no real substance in the post and simply denigrate the other users of the forum you are doing your favourite wonder drug no favours – many of our readers may judge its usefulness on the nature of your posts and may well decide its not the way for them if you are the end result achieved.
:biggreen:
No I do not get paid for what I do, that is the whole point of doing it’
As to people dying, people die all the time of prescription rugs and overdose so an estimated 100 deaths out of 10,000 plus treatments would seem reasonable’
Death is never reasonable’
My only reason for mentioning this in the first place was that just reading some of the post is awesomely distressing’
Folks don’t even have a clue of what they are doing with hard addictive substances’
The pain is crying out to be acknowledged’
No one seems to really care’
Go see a doctor get a script gt switched off’
Life is about expression not being oppressed by something you can not get out of easily’
Nothignis a miricle cure, you have to do the work either way’
It is a lot easier if you have knowledge of the situation first and know of all the options’ This is only one option that folks seem to not know anything about only that it has killed people’
People died cos thy did not know of how to use it and also used other substances with it, or where just too unwell to take it in the first place’
I have yet to find a case only related to Ibogaine as cause of death’
If you have a solied link to this information then please give it’
The work that is required to get a handle on substance addiction takes many months of self work’
There are help groups out there that deal solely with these problems, not government licenced because the people who run them have no so called formal training in medicine’
What they do know is from personal experience of substances and the use of plants’
This of what I really advocate.
Look wider for your answers and don’t accept of what is told you is the whole truth’
Cos’ I can guarantee that you will be shocked to know of the real truth of some things’
Surely to go the road of the rest and not pioneer is blindness’
Without pioneering we wouldn’t transcend into the future we woul all just stagnate and die’
The music on this site tells me that we ain’t dead yet.
Self expression and fuck waht the rest of the world thinks of you’
I saw it written to day, I would rather be hated for what I am then loved for something I am not’
Sorted spot on’
I do what I do because I can’
I like what I do, it feels goo to be able to give some thing back’
I do what t I do because I have no hidden agenda’
Unlike the world at large run and ruled by money an hierarchies’ all bullshit’
It is the people that matter not the “Fuckin politics of money an so called governmental organization”
All fuckin slavery and most of the world blind to it’
That is why I do what I do’
So blessings to you one and all’
Keep banging them beats’
Motamba’
At least one person who died had taken it previously with no ill effects and then died on taking a second dose as your accounts posted on partyvibe seem to encourage them to do.
There are 9 officially recognised deaths from this drug so far that I have found in a short period of researching it – possibly more exist where it was not recognised as being a contributing factor?
There are no miracle cures for anything – just individual paths which allow some of us to reach specific goals. One person’s path will not necessarily work for another and you have no right to judge whether other people are failures. The world is not black and white, there are many shades of grey in between, and it may be that along the way of the slow cure people taking that path may have learnt things that you have not.
If ibogaine worked for you thats great but dont pour scorn on others efforts because they have chosen a different path to the one which worked for you or try to suggest that yours is the only valid path to achieve what they strive for. I also note that you describe those who have disagreed with you as childish
Hardly confidence inspiring stuff.
So far you have evangelised your chosen path to the point of spamming threads here on this forum – perhaps a bit more fact and a bit less ‘ibogaine is a wonder cure’ might cause people to look into it in more depth if that is what you wish to achieve.
You could have linked them to the large body of research and reference which exists on the internet and allowed them to make their own minds up on whether it might work for them rather than tried to browbeat them through sheer volume of words alone into your way of thinking…Perhaps you would rather that they simply looked up to you as the oracle of all wisdom and treated you as a guru? [If this is the case I question the purity of your motive in offering to help others – it may just be a massive ego trip for you]
I note from a search on ibogaine, as you keep recommending, that the price for treatment can be as much as £2000 + on the first ranked site – is this why you are pushing it so hard? Do you administer the miracle cure and get paid for it?
Oh I see you have answered my question:
I guess you do get paid/benefit from administering the drug and therefore are pushing it hard to increase your own income – hardly the altruistic approach you were trying to portray in some of your posts.
We dont mind hearing that it worked for you and changed your life for the better – just keep the evangelising to a minimum and deal in facts which can be verified from external sources you can link to.
If you want to waffle with no real substance in the post and simply denigrate the other users of the forum you are doing your favourite wonder drug no favours – many of our readers may judge its usefulness on the nature of your posts and may well decide its not the way for them if you are the end result achieved.
Bravo my good friend.:love: :group_hug
You are not understanding what I said – I was suggesting that you were damaging the case for ibogaine use by your attitude to others when you post.
This may not be the first time you have had a hostile reception for evangelising its use in a public forum and it may have happened to you in other settings. It is due to how you are coming across in your posts: the ‘I am right and you are wrong’ attitude is not a good way to get people to take your information seriously or approach it with an open mind. [You are making yourself look arrogant and egotistical IMPO]
Calm and objective discussion of the subject of ibogaine and its use in helping to recover from addiction would be more effective.
We would be interested in having the links to the research out there and the information available. Forum members may seem misguided to you and clueless about how they are detoxing from addictions [sweeping generalisations dont help much :hopeless:]
The pain is crying out to be acknowledged’
No one seems to really care’
but they are in fact intelligent caring people who are more than capable of reading reports and separating the truth from the hype in them. You do not seem to wish them to explore this choice for some reason – perhaps because you yourself have not done this research?
I do not feel the need to do your research for you on ibogaine deaths only for you to try and claim that the authorities are misguided and you know better. While you may be confident that you are right and the world is wrong, the deaths are publicly documented and you can read up on them as easily as I did on sites devoted to the promotion of ibogaine for helping addicts recover.
I would like to point out that I am not of the view that ibogaine is without merit as a cure to addiction. I think it, like every other path for saving people from opiates and alcohol addictions, should in fact be more heavily researched instead of receiving only indirect funding for political reasons.
Finally a thought for you – ibogaine comes from the iboga plant as used in African tribal rituals [of the Bwiti tribe I think] where it was used in ritual settings by users under the guidance of shamans who knew from a lifetime’s training what to expect [the shaman’s lore is unwritten and trained into memory as, out of context, the meaning is lost and so they communicate it one on one]. Its hallucinogenic and, like all hallucinogens known, continous use is likely to distort perception of reality as normally perceived by people and lead to feelings of isolation and paranoia.
It is due to how you are coming across in your posts: the ‘I am right and you are wrong’ attitude is not a good way to get people to take your information seriously or approach it with an open mind. [You are making yourself look arrogant and egotistical IMPO]
Calm and objective discussion of the subject of ibogaine and its use in helping to recover from addiction would be more effective.
We would be interested in having the links to the research out there and the information available. Forum members may seem misguided to you and clueless about how they are detoxing from addictions [sweeping generalisations dont help much :hopeless:]
but they are in fact intelligent caring people who are more than capable of reading reports and separating the truth from the hype in them. You do not seem to wish them to explore this choice for some reason – perhaps because you yourself have not done this research?
[mouse]well said Raj[/mouse]
How much? im sure you could buy the ingredients off the net for less than £50…
This may not be the first time you have had a hostile reception for evangelising its use in a public forum and it may have happened to you in other settings. It is due to how you are coming across in your posts: the ‘I am right and you are wrong’ attitude is not a good way to get people to take your information seriously or approach it with an open mind. [You are making yourself look arrogant and egotistical IMPO]
Calm and objective discussion of the subject of ibogaine and its use in helping to recover from addiction would be more effective.
We would be interested in having the links to the research out there and the information available. Forum members may seem misguided to you and clueless about how they are detoxing from addictions [sweeping generalisations dont help much :hopeless:]
but they are in fact intelligent caring people who are more than capable of reading reports and separating the truth from the hype in them. You do not seem to wish them to explore this choice for some reason – perhaps because you yourself have not done this research?
I do not feel the need to do your research for you on ibogaine deaths only for you to try and claim that the authorities are misguided and you know better. While you may be confident that you are right and the world is wrong, the deaths are publicly documented and you can read up on them as easily as I did on sites devoted to the promotion of ibogaine for helping addicts recover.
I would like to point out that I am not of the view that ibogaine is without merit as a cure to addiction. I think it, like every other path for saving people from opiates and alcohol addictions, should in fact be more heavily researched instead of receiving only indirect funding for political reasons.
Finally a thought for you – ibogaine comes from the iboga plant as used in African tribal rituals [of the Bwiti tribe I think] where it was used in ritual settings by users under the guidance of shamans who knew from a lifetime’s training what to expect [the shaman’s lore is unwritten and trained into memory as, out of context, the meaning is lost and so they communicate it one on one]. Its hallucinogenic and, like all hallucinogens known, continous use is likely to distort perception of reality as normally perceived by people and lead to feelings of isolation and paranoia.
Not so bro’ if there is no underlying mental condition like bi-polar disorder or more extreem’ Schizophrenia one wouldn’t attempt to treat’
I trained and was initiated in Africa’
All and beside the experience is quite mild compared to a full blown psychedelic experience’ Most of the healing that the plant contains comes afterwards, sometimes anything upto 25 days after ingestion’ if one has a substance problem, five to ten days if not. One spends this time kind of chewing over all the psychological stuff and resolving it. This would be the time that the person would maybe seem to act erratic, but the plant ressets brain wave patterning, so brings back a state of harmony between the two hemispheres of the brain’
As long as this process is not interupted a state of harmony with body is reached’
Tata Nya told me that of what we seek is love, simple’
Bwiti is love, “Dissumba” shows the way’ “
“Addicts learn to love themselves and people learn of self respect’ and respect for each other. Ngoze’ the first’ as one, male and female in the same body, with different sexes, the same emotions’
The plant gives psychological cleansing’
I’ll get some info together and post it so folks can read of the research an also how much the plant is actually being used as a hole’
It was banned in France because of someone jacked up after ingesting a large dose of the plant’
I still can’t find any mention of an autopsy report stating Ibogaine specifically and it alone killed anyone’
Lot of old info on ibogaine.co.uk
Links through MAPS on current research and uses’
I shall post more of what I have with references’
Something like 100 eaths out of 10, 790 treatments recorded’
Most of this stuff goes on under the eyes of so called normal society’
But I must admit, other than the money game things have moved quite fast in the last five years’
Ez now’
Ibogaine dossier at http://www.ibogaine.org/index.html
I got untold pdf files’ of current studies’
I see if I can get any links’
I trained and was initiated in Africa’
All and beside the experience is quite mild compared to a full blown psychedelic experience’ Most of the healing that the plant contains comes afterwards, sometimes anything upto 25 days after ingestion’ if one has a substance problem, five to ten days if not. One spends this time kind of chewing over all the psychological stuff and resolving it. This would be the time that the person would maybe seem to act erratic, but the plant ressets brain wave patterning, so brings back a state of harmony between the two hemispheres of the brain’
As long as this process is not interupted a state of harmony with body is reached’
Tata Nya told me that of what we seek is love, simple’
Bwiti is love, “Dissumba” shows the way’ “
“Addicts learn to love themselves and people learn of self respect’ and respect for each other. Ngoze’ the first’ as one, male and female in the same body, with different sexes, the same emotions’
The plant gives psychological cleansing’
I’ll get some info together and post it so folks can read of the research an also how much the plant is actually being used as a hole’
It was banned in France because of someone jacked up after ingesting a large dose of the plant’
I still can’t find any mention of an autopsy report stating Ibogaine specifically and it alone killed anyone’
Lot of old info on ibogaine.co.uk
Links through MAPS on current research and uses’
I shall post more of what I have with references’
Something like 100 eaths out of 10, 790 treatments recorded’
Most of this stuff goes on under the eyes of so called normal society’
But I must admit, other than the money game things have moved quite fast in the last five years’
Ez now’
Ibogaine dossier at http://www.ibogaine.org/index.html
I got untold pdf files’ of current studies’
I see if I can get any links’
We don’t want any links of your wonderful African spiritual wonderdrug. if anyone wants to check it out then they can use the tried and trusted ‘Gooogle’ And by the way do you know that to fly to central Africa would break the bank. Sounds like some kind of voodoo ceremony to me. I think I’ll stick to advising people to contact Lifeline for exceptional help and support.
And apparently the anxiety when coming up on this is very heavy, which is not at all nice for an addict!
Cobblers’ you get of what you take with you, simple’
The experience has no body load, just a kind of dream state where images float by as if in a movie’
“FEAR” is of what people freak over’
Concoring addiction is about concoring ones “FEAR”
Fear of not being able to cope with life on it’s terms without the use of substances’
You don’t need to go to Africa or anywhere other than your own house to get clean’
Just make a plan and stick to it’
That is the truth’
Also the truth is that you start getting and munching a script you will be doing so for most of your life’
It becomes easier not to come off and face the pain’ cos you just need to take another pill’
It is all about personal choice bro’
Your personal choice is to stay addicted’
Others personal choice is to stop and hang around long enough to find out who they really are without the mask of Opiates’
Ez now’
Dont know if this one is any use to anybody but I liked it when I stumbled upon it:
FEAR = false expectations appear real
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