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June 10, 2012 at 5:39 pm

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sinner69

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yes U do…wat, my friend, thats one thats a bit difficult to avoid….
June 10, 2012 at 5:44 pm

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Pat McDonald

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@NN~Gazatryptamine 483053 wrote:

Well obviously people need them, that goes with out saying if you work in Leeds and live in Sheffield. My point is I’m unwilling to spend Fuck knows how much on a car, the get raped on the insurance, fished by the road tax and have to pay tax on it all. I refuse to pay tax. I don’t see why I should pay for politicians. In future I’m not going to pay tax.

Well, go self employed, keep all your receipts, declare a great big loss at the end of the tax year, and claim it all back. Works for the idle rich, why not the not so idle poor?

And yes, I am definitely a member of the not so idle poor.

EDIT: Ok, in the UK you can’t claim for alcohol and tobacco. Also “party goods” are obviously not receiptable.

But hey, creativity and accountancy are just such natural bedfellows.
June 10, 2012 at 5:46 pm

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Tank Girl

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@NN~Gazatryptamine 483053 wrote:

I refuse to pay tax. I don’t see why I should pay for politicians. In future I’m not going to pay tax.

Majority of our tax is spent on health care, and some on the military etc, unless you gonna live abroad / be mega rich with off shore accounts – I dont think you can avoid it – unless your willing to go to prison for it, get fined and then pay it once your out – my bro in law has been faced with this decision twice…

I have a car and the van, and I am surprised at how I am able to fund both on my own, I certainly shop around with insurance etc, but its priorities for me – I like festies, parties, camping etc and it saves in the long run on holidays and hiring places / b&bs etc
June 10, 2012 at 8:48 pm

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Pat McDonald

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@Tank Girl 483066 wrote:

Majority of our tax is spent on health care

Well, quite a bit of that goes to pharma companies to pay for prescriptions that people are exempt for.

Tell you what, let’s start an alternative service. We collect the depressed, drive them out to a field, give them all MDMA and let them dance all night… and then send the local health authority the bill for the event.

Does this sound like a plan? Fair enough, quite a lot of the health service does go to pay consultants, who are long term doctors, with many years experience, who can tell, just by looking, exactly the treatment needed for an individual.

We could start an alternative service, based on rolling a dice and consulting a table.

Hey, we could save the health service a lot of money. Plus we’d free up all that expertise to go and help people with real depression problems in places like Bangladesh, Gaza, Latin America and Indonesia. I’m sure they’ll miss their local golf courses but hey, these are HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS – I’m sure they can’t argue the logic.

FAIR ENOUGH – SURGICAL PROCEDURES SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE EXPERTS. Got a pal whose just got over 80 operations after the first one was totally fucked up and they removed most of his stomach by mistake. Presumably the other 79 were spent trying to get him to grow a new one.

But there’s still a lot of fat. I’m sure that Mr Macaroon in 10 Dowding Street would be all for saving a few quid to give his rich bankster buddies.

Plus there’s all those police people who wouldn’t need to be employed – why, they could go and catch some criminals instead. I suggest they start at Mr Ian Duncan Smith and Lord Levy, notorious for their pursuit of actively encouraging acts of state terrorism.
June 10, 2012 at 9:18 pm

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Tank Girl

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@Pat McDonald 483094 wrote:

Tell you what, let’s start an alternative service. We collect the depressed, drive them out to a field, give them all MDMA and let them dance all night… and then send the local health authority the bill for the event.

Does this sound like a plan?

My partners mum was telling me about the use of LSD in mental health, and my ex’s mum was aware and I think her husband possibly involved in MDMA treatments, unfortunately this isnt the case any more….

I do prehaps have a different opinion of our health service then you, yes they make mistakes and what your friend has been through sound horrific but I generally think most of the paramedics / ambulance staff / nurses and nursing assistance workers, work fucking hard, care and save alot of lives, but thats just my opinion :bounce_g:
June 10, 2012 at 9:33 pm

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Garoldeep Singh

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I’m not against funding the NHS or military, I’m just against the fact of funding the Tory’s. They’ve cut funding to the NHS and military, to pay off a debt that I have no part in. I don’t agree with the way the Tory’s are lining there pockets with money they have no right touching.
I’m VERY much of the V for vendetta school, explosives, guns, killing corrupt members of parliament…..I just hate the way this country has fallen, and the fact knowone is willing to do anything about it, other than make a few signs and march around in a circle.
June 10, 2012 at 9:33 pm

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Pat McDonald

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AFAIK (and I must admit, the research was discontinued a long time ago – 1950s) LSD was very very random in its treatment of psychiatric conditions.

Some people were cured. Some it had little long term effect on. Some it made worse.

Makes me wonder about the diagnosis of pschiatric conditions rather than the drug.

Tank Girl, I was not trying to have a dig at the people at the sharp end of health care. Biggest single employer in the UK is the National Health Service.

I just get so pissed off. Christ alive, I’m trying to register as mentally ill. So far I’ve been promised that my local Care Authority will send me a pamphlet explaining their services. That was a week ago and I haven’t received a fucking thing from them.

I think I better see my GP again. Fact; I’ve had more help, more sympathy, more care from people here than the “professionals”.
June 11, 2012 at 2:04 pm

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General Lighting

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@Pat McDonald 483094 wrote:

Well, quite a bit of that goes to pharma companies to pay for prescriptions that people are exempt for.

Tell you what, let’s start an alternative service. We collect the depressed, drive them out to a field, give them all MDMA and let them dance all night… and then send the local health authority the bill for the event.

thats exactly what they did here in EA from around 2007. Except the “bill” was delivered in the form of the cost of multiple ambulance callouts, otherwise healthy young people going down with loads of physical and mental health problems, and more injured and killed in RTCs caused by DUI. The end result is todays zero tolerance.

also one big reason why they don’t use MDMA and LSD in todays mental health treatments is (as I said to the Dutch) without full tolerance/acceptance of recreational use it would create a massive security risk to every healthcare facility and its staff. they already have enough trouble keeping the opiates and benzos from being diverted.
June 11, 2012 at 3:24 pm

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Pat McDonald

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Well, there’s any amount of ex-services with PTSD going around causing havoc… that’s seen as socially acceptable. Double standards, I reckon.

And it’s not quite the same thing. I was advocating chauferring the patients to and from the event, not expecting them to drive under the influence.

I haven’t changed my stance on the problem – it’s not the drugs that are the problem. It’s the psychiatric diagnosis based not on a scientific basis, not on a scan of brain waves or a statisically evaluated mindmap, but on an unscientific, deterministically reached opinion of an “expert”. An ex is a has-been, a spurt is a drip under pressure.

“Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody’s got one”. <- actually a tiny number of people are born without an arsehole but that's going WAAYYY off topic.
June 11, 2012 at 3:33 pm

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General Lighting

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@Pat McDonald 483167 wrote:

Well, there’s any amount of ex-services with PTSD going around causing havoc… that’s seen as socially acceptable.

this used to be common here (and maybe with the older ones its diagnosed as or masked by dementia etc) particularly as a culture of fighting amongst males was seen as normal but these days especially with the young ones they get hauled up by coppers with as much force as required and brought before the beak.

this is interlinked with the party/drugs scene as a lot of the younger folk do or did end up joining HM Forces here when then get bored of drugs or burn out, many in fact will quit drugs altogether to pass the medicals. They even had a 11/11 silence at one rave I was at and everyone respected it because they had at least one friend serving. They aren’t ignorant, stupid or racist either, and they know the politics behind the current wars. They just want the money and the action (RAF is popular here for obvious reasons) and a flipside of party drug use that I have found is you can use them to blot out your emotions, enough to cope psychologically with something like being a soldier or even a spy (but of course too much would affect operational efficiency/judgement).

TBH were it not for the institutional racism, the dominance of “Oxbridge” types from posh backgrounds and the poor equipment and clueless strategy, I’d have considered joining the Forces myself in my youth.

as for the original post, assuming this wasn’t a fake profile set up by someone younger, the very fact that anyone near our age feels they have the sense of entitlement to put a post like that on a forum and that its something to be proud of doesn’t reflect too well on our scene. Even if itsa younger person pissing around its still not good. If they’d done it on partyflock they’d be “permanent verbannen” within seconds and yet NL is a liberal place with free speech just like us. I think NL has a zero tolerance on DUI anyway….
June 11, 2012 at 7:21 pm

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General Lighting

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@!sinner69! 483061 wrote:

yes U do…wat, my friend, thats one thats a bit difficult to avoid….

to be fair North European countries are much more transparent about what happens to tax money and efficient with delivering services.

For instance I was able to read (in Dutch) a paper about Amsterdam’s cycle lanes and other road transport stuff which had the cost of everything down to the last euro and explained also the benefits of why they did things in certain ways. yet in spite of having worked in public sector finance I struggle to find the same info for my own town and when I do read it (in English) many things are not clear.

an event like Distortion could never have happened without some taxpayers money being spent upfront but it must have brought in much more revenue for the local businesses. Similarly thats why in NL they still just about tolerate EDM events but even over there they are being subject to more controls. In my town if our council (which is left wing) suggested spending money to subsidise people just having fun they’d be voted out again (indeed that happened a few years ago when the economic depression started – we lost our community centre as the conservatives withdrew the funding and now its structurally unsafe to rebuild…
June 12, 2012 at 3:15 pm

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Pat McDonald

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@General Lighting 483168 wrote:

this used to be common here (and maybe with the older ones its diagnosed as or masked by dementia etc) particularly as a culture of fighting amongst males was seen as normal but these days especially with the young ones they get hauled up by coppers with as much force as required and brought before the beak.

That is exactly my point. “Oh, old soldier, reasonable excuse, have some mental health treatment.”

No service record. “You are clearly a violent thug. Why, our society is so peaceful you can’t possibly have PTSD”.

Crock of shit. The magistrates don’t see the violence present in the society, they just get to wave their magic hammers at people and make up some bullshit to cover up their own ignorance.

Automate them, I say. Let’s have prototype AIs making random decisions. They’ll be just as accurate, just as effective, and much less abrasive on their social “inferiors”.
June 12, 2012 at 3:26 pm

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General Lighting

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TBH I think that must happen in every country – if you’ve been a soldier or done any kind of public service you do get treated as “having served the country”. I’m amazed at what I got away with during my days working for Whitehall – nothing was bad or evil but they clearly turned a blind eye to what I did at weekends because I could do my job well. in this region (can’t speak for elsewhere) its a improvement on previous days when the angry squaddies were simply allowed to dominate some areas. Even then its not particularly pleasant in Colchester of a weekend.

@Pat McDonald 483395 wrote:

Automate them, I say. Let’s have prototype AIs making random decisions. They’ll be just as accurate, just as effective, and much less abrasive on their social “inferiors”.

before airwave radios when I could listen in (especially when they were parallel running the digital kit and using their new control rooms) it seemed like the cops were actually acting in this robotic manner. Perhaps its unavoidable due to the way the control rooms and infrastructure is set up especially when the “british” touch (with a certain element of unreliability and randommness) is added to it..
June 27, 2012 at 12:44 pm

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Mezz

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Only once have I driven over the drink/drive limit, was young & dumb and had just split up with my exGF… not making excuses, just giving the reasons. Drinking & driving is stupid and kills many people every year.

As for driving on other stuff, many times on Es & wizz & weed, we used to drive in convoy to different to clubs & events around the UK, car full, music blasting, all mashed and spliffs being built in the back & passed round all the way…. equally stupid looking back on those days but somehow seemed fine at the time as everyone I knew did the same, never had any accidents or even close calls despite driving at 140 MPH while always ripping off the steering wheel I was gripping it so hard, basically got lucky, would never do that now and would discourage anyone else doing it.
June 27, 2012 at 2:16 pm

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General Lighting

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I remember those times, but don’t forget though that when we were younger not as many folk had cars, and those who did and were lucky enough to afford one what could do +100 mph didn’t want to crash it or risk losing their license! there is way more traffic on the road since those 20 years, and 24/7 deliveries of stuff (like our computers and AV equipment) mean yet more large vehicles/lorries even at random hours of the night.

I still don’t have a full driving license and TBH that is probably why I am alive today at age 40. I wasn’t a good boy back in the day in many respects and cars brought out a bad side in me, especially sharing the road with other people when I was often on a comedown ( of course I tried to stay sober for driving lessons!) Recently started learning again and it was shocking first how much more traffic there is compared with the 90s, and also how easy it is to go over speed limit (always getting warned by my instructor to watch my speed – and I am trying not to be a middle aged gary boy, honest :laugh_at: ) and when I do get my license I doubt I will be risking it driving to raves (only getting it for work TBH).
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