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June 16, 2015 at 7:17 pm

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p0ly

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I used to get 2C’s from Canada too. The first one I tried was 2C-T-2, then 2C-T-7, 2C-I, 2C-E and 4-AcO-DMT. Then Mephedrone came along IIRC.
June 16, 2015 at 7:19 pm

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tryptameanie

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When exactly did the phenethylamine part of the MoDA pass?
June 16, 2015 at 8:03 pm

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General Lighting

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the laws changed around 2005 but from what I vaguely remember the ACMD had already flagged the substances around 2003/04 and suggested they should be added to the controlled list. The debate took longer because ACMD did not want to rush in with a UK equivalent of the “federal analogs act” as they are smart enough to realise that controlled drugs legislation is enough of a headache to legitimate healthcare/pharm industry as it stands.

I don’t think there were many fatal ODs from these first generation RC’s but there were a fair few freakouts and ambulance callouts/Emergency Department admissions.

This was around the same time the public health and law enforcement authorities got easy to use desktop computer systems and access to the Internet so they were able to share (anonymised) info far more quickly than before.
June 18, 2015 at 11:13 am

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HeadieJed422

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Jesus skb. If you ask “whats an rc, NEVER EAT ANY PVP EVER!

In all seriousness, without being judgemental, you could not pick a WORSE place to start. Aas -PVP and its related compounds are called cathinones; addictive, powerfull, all the bad even pscyhotic breakdowns.

See, when i was intersted in rc’s, i had read through PIHKAL and TIHKAL, and my motivation wad not just to get high, i was fascinated by the effects these chemicals could have on us. I always was intellectually peaked by shulgins descriptions of compounds, a tweak of a hydrogen and another little tweek, you have a compound similar but with distinct features.

Cathinones; thats for tweekers. No hate to any who usd it at all, i am just saying…. pschydelics had a postive outcome on my life, mostly because i wa s carefull and very motivated. Going after a cathinone…. all it leads to is an incredibly dark path, I advise dont look for EGO (yes, “I”) fedding drugs, you dont le arn anything. Pschydelics help peel away that layer and peek at yourself in… a whole new perspctive.

Just my thoughts
June 18, 2015 at 11:15 am

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tryptameanie

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^^^^^What he said, but in an English accent.
June 18, 2015 at 11:30 am

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General Lighting

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although the cathinones are fun at the start they quickly become very unpleasant; this happens far faster than with MDMA or normal amfetamine type stimulants.

I live in a large port town by the North Sea which is close enough to London to be influenced by it but also far enough to have its own unique music/drugs/alternative culture. it is of course impossible to keep contraband out of busy port towns, no matter how much resources the govt throw at this; so drugs have always been relatively easy to get hold of whether traditional controlled substances or NPS.

the effect of cathinones has actually been one of scaring even the “hippy/anarchist” circles in my town into becoming reluctant supporters of drugs control legislation rather than decriminalisation. They have actually scared an entire generation away from drugs and divded youth subcultures yet more.
June 18, 2015 at 11:41 am

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tryptameanie

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Seen and spoken to many messed up people due to cathinones.
June 19, 2015 at 9:57 pm

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Digital Buddha

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not gonna speak positively of cathinones… but meph and similar stuff was pretty fun for a while… but as everyone has said they have a dark side to them and can get really rough on the mind and body quickly
June 19, 2015 at 9:59 pm

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tryptameanie

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I quite liked mephedrone while it was around but I don’t mourn it’s passing
June 19, 2015 at 10:03 pm

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Digital Buddha

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yeah, i never got into it big but some people fucked themselves up good with it, same on liking it but not mourning it, just not truely great like some other drugs
June 19, 2015 at 10:03 pm

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tryptameanie

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Exactly.
June 19, 2015 at 10:05 pm

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Digital Buddha

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yeah if LSD totally disappeared you’d get a lot of sad deadheads but when meph disappeared a bunch of cokeheads had to go back to cocaine
June 19, 2015 at 10:07 pm

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tryptameanie

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Yeah and deaths from coke returned back to where they were pre mephedrone.
June 20, 2015 at 1:49 am

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HeadieJed422

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So everyone knows; technically, a “research chemical” is…….. any chem, all natural, synthetic, semi-synthetic. … everything is a research chem.

I used to argue with those (like myself) who belive lsd isa trully…. fascinating and wonderfull compound. BUT; its not “natural”, its semi-sythetic. Its a compound with active research being preformed. ITS AN RC! That makes it no less wonderful, but be realistic.

LSD was synthed in the 20th century…SYNTHED. while dose was floating around, ALWAYS, you could find all SORTS of chems. Its just, to me, a sepperation (rc’s vs “real drugs) bred out ignorance. Rc’s are nothing new at all, and every compound is just that, a damned compound!

I also realllly love methylone ♡
June 20, 2015 at 3:15 am

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Digital Buddha

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you are quite right on the technicality of anything under going research as a RC and the deleniation of RC’s from ‘real drugs’ is asinine but i look at it a little differently: things that you can currently purchase legally are RC’s to me, this is kind of a stupid definition and i’m aware of the short falls but hey whatever

to me RC’s are basically stuff that is unscheduled that is sold as ‘not for human consumption’ so some things that were RC’s are now scheduled stuff that just came out will soon be scheduled ect ect.

basically what i was getting at is that meph/drone hasn’t stood the test of time the way MDMA, LSD, DMT, cocaine, heroin, ect have not that LSD is any better because of age and abundance than 1p-LSD or any more recently synthed compound.

some RC’s make it into that arbitrary “real drugs” catagory and others have to stay at home and remain niche but a compound is a compound
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