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Speed (the sulph not the meth) has always been available at very high quality and very cheap … hence it’s popularity in the UK. I completely fucked myself on it for years, back when Pills were amazing and the rave scene was not full of boiler room type cunts it was as popular and Es, probably moreso in terms of quantity consumed (did I say it was good and cheap ?).
Maybe it’s cultural thing IDK, never tried meth but it seems to me that it’s not really a rave scene type drug and some may disagree with me on this but I think the rave scene has driven drug culture in the UK since the late 80’s. Yes Crack and smack are established but they were before rave, anyone wanting to introduce something new would more than likely look at what the biggest easiest market would be to break into and that would be free parties/clubs/raves. Meth just hasn’t taken hold and I doubt it would unless all the parties went illegal again and you wouldn’t get bouncers chucking you out for hitting a pipe.
BTW, pseudo is not available in chemists anymore, or at least I can’t find it, everything changed to that other less effective (at decongesting) bollocks about a year ago. Pisses me off, no meth problem here from what I can tell and I have to suffer with head cold because sudafed is now utter dogshit because some twunt in parliament watched Breaking Bad.
@Tryptameanie 588300 wrote:
that speed fucked my mind and body far worse.
Yep, the one thing that put me hospital… twice, also led to several “episodes” of borderline violent psychosis, thankfully I had very very understanding pals and never got sectioned, but I reckon without them I would have been. Many people don’y get just HOW STRONG base speed can be sometimes and the variation in quality. Most times I came unstuck was because someone had given me speed that was stupidly strong and I mean even stronger than the decent “smell it outside of two bags in another room” stuff.
Yep exactly. I wrote 2 stories of the most mental things I remember doing durig those years and my god it’s was unreal
@portmanteau 588404 wrote:
Speed (the sulph not the meth) has always been available at very high quality and very cheap … hence it’s popularity in the UK. I completely fucked myself on it for years, back when Pills were amazing and the rave scene was not full of boiler room type cunts it was as popular and Es, probably moreso in terms of quantity consumed (did I say it was good and cheap ?).
Maybe it’s cultural thing IDK, never tried meth but it seems to me that it’s not really a rave scene type drug and some may disagree with me on this but I think the rave scene has driven drug culture in the UK since the late 80’s. Yes Crack and smack are established but they were before rave, anyone wanting to introduce something new would more than likely look at what the biggest easiest market would be to break into and that would be free parties/clubs/raves. Meth just hasn’t taken hold and I doubt it would unless all the parties went illegal again and you wouldn’t get bouncers chucking you out for hitting a pipe.
BTW, pseudo is not available in chemists anymore, or at least I can’t find it, everything changed to that other less effective (at decongesting) bollocks about a year ago. Pisses me off, no meth problem here from what I can tell and I have to suffer with head cold because sudafed is now utter dogshit because some twunt in parliament watched Breaking Bad.
That was probsably it’s biggest jooj. I’, talking what 7-9 years ago and I had a consrtant supply of the best base I have ever had apart from 1 gram I’d had years previously and it cost me £100 an ounce back then and you could sell a gram for a tenner but it was a;so the worst thing that ever happened to me.
@portmanteau 588404 wrote:
BTW, pseudo is not available in chemists anymore, or at least I can’t find it, everything changed to that other less effective (at decongesting) bollocks about a year ago. Pisses me off, no meth problem here from what I can tell and I have to suffer with head cold because sudafed is now utter dogshit because some twunt in parliament watched Breaking Bad.
I’m fairly certain (might be able to check up but have to avoid raising suspicion) that change pre-dates Breaking Bad by years.
The rave scene was a big part of UK drugs culture until recently but its rôle in it has diminished a lot because of the massive backlash against rave events by nimbys – they are now left with their kids experimenting with more dangerous and addictive drugs in smaller groups. The only thing that stops this leading to total carnage is the extremely poor science skills of anyone below 35-40 as they are not taught well in high school; some part of this clearly is due to paranoia from the govt at the time about the kids diverting their skills towards making drugs, explosives or any other dodgy stuff.
The Northern and Eastern European countries with heavy meth use have a lot of brainy scientist lads – but this does also lead to people going psycho and things like “random fires/explosions” (targeted at rivals) and in extreme cases white european suicide bombers but as these are rare often related to domestic disputes they aren’t seen as terrorist threat. At the same time you actually have a lot of suprisingly mentally stable users who do less damaging things especially brainy stuff involving computers and electronics; or heavy stuff like building ships and hauling around their cargo.
A Polish friend of mine used to sit up all night taking amfet; drinking vodka and writing code for his work; whilst also watching some old black and white movie about World War II and these Polish agents who had a tank and an alsatian dog and defeated the Germans in all sorts of clever ways (it was a bit like Lassie for blokes)
I have met a lot of Meth amphetamine addicts recently. They are all based in central London and are all gay. It is massive in the gay scene in London along side GHB. For example places like Vauxhall/Soho are full of Meth. I have been offered it in central London but the guy quoted 200 pound a gram. Most people tell me it goes for prices around that.
Meth is around believe me, but it has only set off in the London gay scene as I believe it’s a very good sex drug. Personally when I got a gram I couldn’t stop smoking it for 3 days straight. It was fucking lovely but absolutely disgusting at the same time. I’m glad it isn’t popular, it’s really bad stuff.
@General Lighting 588516 wrote:
I’m fairly certain (might be able to check up but have to avoid raising suspicion) that change pre-dates Breaking Bad by years.
The rave scene was a big part of UK drugs culture until recently but its rôle in it has diminished a lot because of the massive backlash against rave events by nimbys – they are now left with their kids experimenting with more dangerous and addictive drugs in smaller groups. The only thing that stops this leading to total carnage is the extremely poor science skills of anyone below 35-40 as they are not taught well in high school; some part of this clearly is due to paranoia from the govt at the time about the kids diverting their skills towards making drugs, explosives or any other dodgy stuff.
The Northern and Eastern European countries with heavy meth use have a lot of brainy scientist lads – but this does also lead to people going psycho and things like “random fires/explosions” (targeted at rivals) and in extreme cases white european suicide bombers but as these are rare often related to domestic disputes they aren’t seen as terrorist threat. At the same time you actually have a lot of suprisingly mentally stable users who do less damaging things especially brainy stuff involving computers and electronics; or heavy stuff like building ships and hauling around their cargo.
A Polish friend of mine used to sit up all night taking amfet; drinking vodka and writing code for his work; whilst also watching some old black and white movie about World War II and these Polish agents who had a tank and an alsatian dog and defeated the Germans in all sorts of clever ways (it was a bit like Lassie for blokes)
I used to be able to buy sudafed with pseudo up until about a year or 2 ago, but boots own was changed before that… that’s how I noticed the change as I bought boots one day with a cold and the were so ineffetive i went back and bought sudafed. Dunno if it was a legislation thing or not, if it wasn’t maybe that would explain the dispaity between brands for a while or maybe they were just getting rid of old stock before switching. IDK, but i remember managing to get proper pseudo sudafed as recently as 2 years ago of course maybe I’m just senile and it was a bit longer.
@General Lighting 588516 wrote:
The rave scene was a big part of UK drugs culture until recently but its rôle in it has diminished a lot because of the massive backlash against rave events by nimbys – they are now left with their kids experimenting with more dangerous and addictive drugs in smaller groups. The only thing that stops this leading to total carnage is the extremely poor science skills of anyone below 35-40 as they are not taught well in high school; some part of this clearly is due to paranoia from the govt at the time about the kids diverting their skills towards making drugs, explosives or any other dodgy stuff.
I thought the NIMBYs had always given raves and clubs a hard time, the media have always run horror stories on it and it never stopped us. If anything is damaging rave culture I’d say it was the kids themselves and the utter disposable nature of the music now, it’s all about presing the sync button while doing heart hands to the crowd now, that’s if they’re even paying attention between selfies and posting to facebook
Edit.. sorry OP, a bit off topic 😕
@portmanteau 588534 wrote:
I thought the NIMBYs had always given raves and clubs a hard time, the media have always run horror stories on it and it never stopped us. If anything is damaging rave culture I’d say it was the kids themselves and the utter disposable nature of the music now, it’s all about presing the sync button while doing heart hands to the crowd now, that’s if they’re even paying attention between selfies and posting to facebook
if you go beyond “commercial EDM” there is still good music and the digital disruption applies equally to all genres of music. There is still some good stuff about and folk still mix it; for instance a new trend is using those MMORPGs (I think thats what they are called) to have a chill out space in which there is a online radio station with DJ’s just like the pirates of our generation; instead of travelling to some club which requires money/vehicles and poses other risks of getting busted,,
And of course a few RCs must be consumed to keep those kids going playing their game.
The reality is unless you live in a deprived inner city area the cops are very quick to check whether any music event is licensed and this is also because everything is now discussed on social networks; and traditional nightclubs can no longer get away with subsidising rave events by laundering pill sales. Also since cops got the airwave radios (that actually worked) instead of their analogue sets they are a lot quicker at area control.
Outside of these areas the drugs scene has definitely changed. I work as a IT/building services engineering manager in a home for the seniors and there are youths in these same areas starting on the same types of drugs these 80+ lot are being prescribed rather than party drugs; as they feel too downbeat to want the uppers anyway.
@p0lski 588518 wrote:
I have met a lot of Meth amphetamine addicts recently. They are all based in central London and are all gay. It is massive in the gay scene in London along side GHB. For example places like Vauxhall/Soho are full of Meth. I have been offered it in central London but the guy quoted 200 pound a gram. Most people tell me it goes for prices around that.
Meth is around believe me, but it has only set off in the London gay scene as I believe it’s a very good sex drug. Personally when I got a gram I couldn’t stop smoking it for 3 days straight. It was fucking lovely but absolutely disgusting at the same time. I’m glad it isn’t popular, it’s really bad stuff.
It’s big in the gay community everywhere I think. I have a couple of gay friends who use meth from time to time, and they say they use it as a sex drug. I don’t question that it here in the UK, but like psychedelics, you often have to be in on the scene to know where to look. It isn’t like bud, coke, ket, pills etc. where a dealer around every corner is stocking.
Heh, I used to play EvE online and that has it’s own radio shows so I’m not surprised. As far as the parties, a lot are boiler room esque wank, however there are decent parties to be found in clubs, a lot of them are reunion type things, the oldschool nights are big now and the free party scene (at least to my eyes) looks like it’s rolling along as per usual. No doubt there is a current uptick in authorities having a go at clubs what with Fabric getting done and this new breathalyzer on the door bollocks. I would say if they shut down the clubs as rave/drug venues then the scene *will* shrink, but the die hards will take it underground and illegal, that won’t stop, I’ve done it myself… and the folk doing it now look pretty damn organised and clued up. It will survive and possibly even be better for ditching all the selfie obsessed poser tarts 🙂
@The Psyentist 588538 wrote:
It’s big in the gay community everywhere I think. I have a couple of gay friends who use meth from time to time, and they say they use it as a sex drug. I don’t question that it here in the UK, but like psychedelics, you often have to be in on the scene to know where to look. It isn’t like bud, coke, ket, pills etc. where a dealer around every corner is stocking.
Yep, I never even been offered it, It’s here no doubt, but it’s not common.
@portmanteau 588540 wrote:
Yep, I never even been offered it, It’s here no doubt, but it’s not common.
I’ve never been offered it either, if I ever fancy it though I’ll just offer my friend a bumming and I’m sure he’d share lol
btw just checked a new formulary; pseudoephedrine has indeed been moved up to POM (prescription only) rather than P category (pharmacy only); couldn’t find any other details as I had to return the book very quickly to its original location as I am only supposed to be there to update some patient database software…
Boots has always been very anti drugs abuse and pro authority. It was one of the places where (in the days of film cameras) if you ever took in a roll of film which showed people doing drugs or dope plants they’d take a covert copy and pass the lot over to CID.
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