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  • this is from audio engineers in the USA, I had thought this had been going on for some years and audio recordings were worse since the 1980s but had just blamed it on nostalgia..

    The Death Of Dynamic Range

    Totally – there has been a drive in CD production where loud is equated to good (in about 90% of listeners, if given a choice between 2 audio samples one of which is quieter than the other they will choose the loud one pretty much every time as being the best sounding).

    What it’s resulted in is engineers taking the technique of very slightly overdriving the audio during mastering (which if done properly results in the audio sounding punchy and giving it good dynamic range) to extremes which has resulted in highly distorted production CD’s. Definetly not down to nostalgia – the techniques of mastering have definetly changed over the years (and fewer and fewer engineers are taking the time to do the mastering by hand in these days of lots of software to help you do it – back in the 80’s much of it had to be done by hand and ear instead of using software with visual aids which has IMO caused a certain amount of laziness to creep in)…

    its even more ironic that (as the Americans say) this has the effect of driving down the volume on FM radio – all stations (even pirate ones) have to put hard limiters on the TX input (lest they overmod into the aircraft comms band, which brings the wrath of Ofcom upon them…)

    read about this a few times over the years, totally sucks 🙁

    I’ve wondered this as well…

    I thought it was because most pop music now is exactly the same just with a diferant weasel screaching over the top :laugh_at:

    I read an article a while back that interviewed some bigwig mastering engineer – he was complaining that he was being pressured to over-compress a lot of the albums he was working on by the record labels, who want their records to sound louder than everyone else’s. There’s quite a backlash against it in the pro audio industry – I was working in a studio before xmas and it was a pretty hot topic amongst the engineers.

    The quality of sound we come to expect nowadays is a lot lower than it was say, 20-30 years ago, due to a combination of badly-built digital audio equipment, crappy MP3 compression, heavy-handed mastering and shoddy playback systems such as laptops and MP3 players (it used to be the case that if you wanted to listen to music you’d go out and buy an amp, some speakers and a CD player/turntable). Consequently, most people don’t notice/don’t care whether the music they’re listening to has a wide dynamic range or not.

    Ironically, heavily-compressed music makes me reach for the volume knob to turn it down as it makes my fucking ears hurt. I’ve only managed to listen to the new Groove Armada album once through, as it sounds like it was recorded off the radio (it is also shit so I don’t really want to hear it again).

    @cheeseweasel 382434 wrote:

    I’ve only managed to listen to the new Groove Armada album once through, as it sounds like it was recorded off the radio (it is also shit so I don’t really want to hear it again).

    :laugh_at:

    @cheeseweasel 382434 wrote:

    I read an article a while back that interviewed some bigwig mastering engineer – he was complaining that he was being pressured to over-compress a lot of the albums he was working on by the record labels, who want their records to sound louder than everyone else’s. There’s quite a backlash against it in the pro audio industry – I was working in a studio before xmas and it was a pretty hot topic amongst the engineers.

    The quality of sound we come to expect nowadays is a lot lower than it was say, 20-30 years ago, due to a combination of badly-built digital audio equipment, crappy MP3 compression, heavy-handed mastering and shoddy playback systems such as laptops and MP3 players (it used to be the case that if you wanted to listen to music you’d go out and buy an amp, some speakers and a CD player/turntable). Consequently, most people don’t notice/don’t care whether the music they’re listening to has a wide dynamic range or not.

    this is exactly what I have been thinking about audio quality these days. Whats worse is this is a direct result of the “greater availability of content” which is very often free (either given away or simply stolen) – OK it “frees the art” but it means the money what paid for more studio time/engineers salaries/better equipment has gone out of the loop permanently, hence a drop in quality. There is no free lunch…

    @General Lighting 382448 wrote:

    this is exactly what I have been thinking about audio quality these days. Whats worse is this is a direct result of the “greater availability of content” which is very often free (either given away or simply stolen) – OK it “frees the art” but it means the money what paid for more studio time/engineers salaries/better equipment has gone out of the loop permanently, hence a drop in quality. There is no free lunch…

    Not sure this is the case – the industry despite it’s general snark about piracy etc has been making increasing profits year on year, and engineers (even the highly paid ones like mastering engineers) get paid pretty small salaries in comparison to the army of parasitical “marketing” people/managers/cashers in on the current pop trend (and pretty much always have done).

    The problem is in those aforementioned marketing execs (or as I like to call them – corporate suckers of satans pecker :wink:) who think that because they think loud is better then that means everyone else does, so the solution to milking that extra few bucks from whatever current soulless musak act they have attached to currently resides in making the engineers (who are obviously only there because they know how all that science nonsense works, and for no other reason) do what they are told and ruin everyone’s hearing….

    The sooner everyone (including the performers they have latched on to) realise what they are and treat them like the intestinal worms they are (ie flush them from the system), the better off we all will be… :rant::rant::rant:

    @noname 382466 wrote:

    Not sure this is the case – the industry despite it’s general snark about piracy etc has been making increasing profits year on year, and engineers (even the highly paid ones like mastering engineers) get paid pretty small salaries in comparison to the army of parasitical “marketing” people/managers/cashers in on the current pop trend (and pretty much always have done).system),

    the only way labels have preseved or grown their profits in the wake of downloads hitting revenue streams is for those with real power in the industry (i.e the marketing folk/managers) to reduce operating costs by reducing salaries / job security at the lower end – the artists and engineers, whilst of preserving their own positions.

    Even then its fairly ruthless with a lot of labels merging and people being made redundant.

    Of course it would be better if folk “did it themselves” but that involves the musicians/engineers taking on the roles of the marketers and managers as well as “making art” which not all are equipped to do (or we wouldn’t have this sorry situation). Having been a pro-audio engineer myself as well as trying to help people out with the unavoidable business side of music I have seen the dilemma at the frontline..

    That said, I’d be happy to see the back of the entire pop music industry – in real terms it doesn’t add much value to this or any other nation particularly some types of urban music what encourage vioelnce – yet I doubt if it would stop people making music.

    also the professional engineers are “feeding the monster” by putting up with these demands in return for keeping their jobs, if it really mattered to them so much they’d surely find another career? Engineering skills are very transferrable and TBH you can get better pay, conditions and job security working in “boring” IT or telecoms these days – and possibly spare time to still be involved in music if you so wish..

    @General Lighting 382477 wrote:

    – and possibly spare time to still be involved in music if you so wish..

    i think that is the key point:)

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