Will raving die down after this bank holiday????

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August 30, 2006 at 5:00 pm

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Acidfairy

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raj wrote:

so they could get the other ones legalised and taxed and then:

1- no problem with criminals supplying them
2- police budget could be reasssigned to deal with other crimes
3- correct method of usage would be known
4-purity would be regulated and nasty shit could not be passed off as other drugs
5- in case of emergency people would be more likely to seek medical help
6-tax revenues could be given to NHS for funding health services
7- they would stop criminalizing more than a million users every weekend who just want to have fun
8-taboo factor of drug use would be lost which might well reduce ‘experimentation’ during rebellious years in people’s lives
9-the therapeutic uses of the drugs could be investigated [such as using MDMA for post traumatic stress problems etc]

:rant::rant::rant::rant::rant:

[oops that was a bit of a rant – sorry:shy::shy:]

Maybe a mini rant on your normal scale :groucho::groucho::groucho:
But all true none the less 😉
August 30, 2006 at 5:03 pm

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Raj

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Acidfairy wrote:

Maybe a mini rant on your normal scale :groucho::groucho::groucho:
But all true none the less 😉

hehehe:laugh_at::laugh_at:

i could go away and get warmed up? :groucho::groucho::groucho: [but do you have two hours to read it in?]
August 30, 2006 at 5:04 pm

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Acidfairy

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If you’re quick like as i’ll be listening to Ideo’s show in 2 hrs… :wink::wink:
August 30, 2006 at 5:12 pm

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Raj

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not long enough :groucho::groucho::groucho: i want to tune in too
August 30, 2006 at 5:16 pm

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Acidfairy

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phew narrow escape likes… :groucho::groucho:
August 30, 2006 at 5:19 pm

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Raj

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:laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at: i wil get you yet :devil_wag:devil_wag:devil_wag:devil_wag:devil_wag
August 30, 2006 at 5:25 pm

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binge

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A couple of points about the weekend (even though I didn’t make it to a thing!)

1. It was a bloody stupid place to put it. It was all over the news and the internet ‘the megarave’ and they knew the OB were ready and waiting to find and shut them down. Edges of the country are needed- not slap bang in the middle!

2. The only way the party was going to be shut down was by using the action they did (maybe not as harsh but at a level like that riot police is the only way.) If the systems will not shut down (which they won’t) this action will be taken, we all know it. Seems a bit strange to force the situation and then complain bitterly about it.

3. One positive point I have noticed, from reading other posts like the article in the Observer, is that the amount of publicity may have an unintended effect. From the size of the scene in the early 90’s, there is obviously 100’s of thousands of 30 somethings that used to attend parties, but then ‘grew up’, became upstanding members of society and left this hedonistic side behind. Now these people will start reminiscing about the good old days, and are also probably at a point in their lives that they want to have a little fun. Maybe we will see a re-surgance of born-again-ravers coming into the scene? Would def be interesting to see……….
August 30, 2006 at 5:41 pm

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odge

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what i dont get is why cant the coppers just turn a blind eye, are they trying to fill some sort of quota to get more money or something?
August 30, 2006 at 6:19 pm

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General Lighting

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raverbaby wrote:

what i dont get is why cant the coppers just turn a blind eye, are they trying to fill some sort of quota to get more money or something?

I think its more because its the bank holiday; if such a rave isn’t stopped the music will go on until Monday night and the crowd could be there well into the next week.

Thats 3 or more days worth of piss, shit, rubbish and extra traffic.

Just because latrines may be dug and bin bags provided doesn’t mean that everyone will use them; a litter pick carried out by sketchy people who have been up for 3 days often isn’t sufficient (what about the stuff the wind blows into hedges etc?) and sadly (I have seen it myself at other raves) there is a minority who enjoy leaving their mark on the countryside by deliberately throwing rubbish around, vandalising/burgling surrounding buildings, doughnutting crop fields, people even deliberately shit in random places (including the seats of agricultural machinery :yakk:) or harrass locals and brag about it on the rave forums afterwards.

most local communities will grudgingly endure 12 hours of this provided people are disappearing by Sunday (or there aren’t that many people) but not 3 whole days with up to 5,000 people!

Added to that there is a danger that the weekend ravers will be replaced by travellers who will then claim its “living space” and the cops have to do the human rights assesment so they will be there for about 2 weeks whilst the paperwork is all done for the other CJA stuff against travellers..

I know it all seems really harsh to people who are younger but all this stuff happened in previous years and that is why the cops are really harsh now…
August 30, 2006 at 6:34 pm

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General Lighting

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binge wrote:

Now these people will start reminiscing about the good old days, and are also probably at a point in their lives that they want to have a little fun. Maybe we will see a re-surgance of born-again-ravers coming into the scene? Would def be interesting to see……….

many of the thirty somethings who support the rave scene have carried on doing so since their teens 😉 – but if people have “grown up” it means they have usually made life decisions which mean they cannot take the risk of attending unlicensed events as stuff like arrest, criminal prosecution will damage their career prospects or lose them access to children…

or they don’t have the money to risk on kit/vehicles that could be confiscated when they need to spend it on their kids / pets / mortgage etc – there may be a bit of fleeting nostalgia but they aren’t going to rush out and all buy rigs…

we will probably just see a resurgence in sales of old-skool compilations in places like Tescos, maybe a few nostalgic projects from the mainstream media with glaring factual inaccuracies and watered down/dumbed down content.

maybe if we are very lucky a few more people of “older” age groups may turning up at more underground licensed events, if we are luckier some of these people who may have acquired property suitable for an event may be willing to support a TENS application. Thats as much as we can hope for.
August 31, 2006 at 5:04 pm

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Insanity

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Argh! This subject is so depressing!
August 31, 2006 at 5:16 pm

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General Lighting wrote:

many of the thirty somethings who support the rave scene have carried on doing so since their teens 😉 – but if people have “grown up” it means they have usually made life decisions which mean they cannot take the risk of attending unlicensed events as stuff like arrest, criminal prosecution will damage their career prospects or lose them access to children…

or they don’t have the money to risk on kit/vehicles that could be confiscated when they need to spend it on their kids / pets / mortgage etc – there may be a bit of fleeting nostalgia but they aren’t going to rush out and all buy rigs…

we will probably just see a resurgence in sales of old-skool compilations in places like Tescos, maybe a few nostalgic projects from the mainstream media with glaring factual inaccuracies and watered down/dumbed down content.

maybe if we are very lucky a few more people of “older” age groups may turning up at more underground licensed events, if we are luckier some of these people who may have acquired property suitable for an event may be willing to support a TENS application. Thats as much as we can hope for.

:you_crazy speak for yerself…..
August 31, 2006 at 5:30 pm

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General Lighting

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april wrote:

:you_crazy speak for yerself…..

thought you were one of those people who have been raving since the 90s rather than a newbie?

People 6 or 7 years my junior are giving up raving because they have got kids and need every penny to look after them etc, or they’ve got fed up with constant battles with authorities and start gathering other priorities in life.

I’m lucky inasmuch that I am a single man with no children – even then I have now to think about stuff like how to pay the mortgage and take less risks – not too bothered though now as I have had 16 years of fun!

I wouldn’t want to have got into a situation where my partner was pissed off at me because I spent a couple of grand (that could have been used to do up the house or whatever) on kit that is now in a police property store (or just in pieces) when it could have been spent on the kids; and I can’t make their school open day because I have to answer to bail on that day…..

However much we deny it as you get older your appetite for risk changes (and if you are in a long term relationship often your partner may have a different attitude to risk) so I still think fewer people from their mid 20s upwards are going to start attending illegal raves (although they may perhaps decide to go to a couple more legal all night events as an occasional treat).

There are a few lucky thirtysomethings have understanding extended family / good babysitters or their own kids are grown up so they can do a bit of partying – but what I am getting at is the bulk of the people now in their 30s who are still raving are the same ones who did it back in 1991; and a lot of people stop partying in their late 20s (even if they still love the music – I don’t think you ever lose that!)

The (unlicensed) rave revival came in 2002/3 and has already passed. The rest of society clamped down 2 years ago and the numbers at free events are already dropping.

I’m glad TBH the media only picked up on it now as it means it can do less damage. This doesn’t mean there won’t be a fleeting resurgence of interest in dance music like there is every few years.

I was shocked to see old skool compilations in Tescos though!
September 1, 2006 at 11:52 am

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CarFull

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I have a lot of ‘older’ (lets just say in my decade range..) friends who are always up for something other than the obligatory trip to the pub at the weekend, but when it comes to the crunch and they find out about parties going on there is always something else they find to do.
The place where I live is dire for going out, but I think that as you get older perhaps your time becomes that bit more precious to you and you’re not willing to blow a few hours travelling to a possible party that may or may not be going on. And that’s how I feel, let alone mates who are into their dancing but are prepared to pay to go to festivals a few times a year and be happy with that.
I think that if you are older you have to be specifically: into your music, or, prepared to take a risk, or, have been partying for so long that nothing else will quite suffice.
People who look back at being in the scene after leaving definately view it as ‘a part of the process of becoming who they are today’. but most aren’t interested anymore….

right, I’m just off to tescos.
September 1, 2006 at 12:17 pm

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General Lighting

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CarFull wrote:

I have a lot of ‘older’ (lets just say in my decade range..) friends who are always up for something other than the obligatory trip to the pub at the weekend, but when it comes to the crunch and they find out about parties going on there is always something else they find to do.

yeah I know what Essex can be like as relatives live there and I was speaking to a girl from there who said that clubs were all dire cattle markets full of chavs on steroids waiting for a fight (hardly surprising Essex cops are used to “robust action”)

OTOH unless the cops and farmers have sealed off acccess to the bridge over the Stour you and your friends could always come up to the legal events in Ipswich that are happening more regularly now…..

I think unlicensed events are definitely getting harder to put on, but raving is not going to die…
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