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  • JamesBong;220956 wrote:
    Its actually way harder to be self-employed than work for an employer – because that is complete and utter crap.

    I disagree- and stand by what I say.

    Even if you have the skills, there is still the matter of the Governments regulations with regard to taxation, accounts requirements etc.

    If you follow the rules it is extra effort compared to being an employee. OK you might try and buck the system but if you are making any reasonable sort of money, either HMRC will eventually find you, or someone will turn you in.

    Maybe a competitor, maybe a disgruntled customer…

    When this happens this of course increases the stress.

    Its Not insurmountable, but still a lot of extra work for younger people or those who don’t have the right backing/guidance at the start.

    Yes you can blame the Govt but this isn’t Zimbabwe or Afghanistan and these governments were voted in by the will of at least half of the people in this country.

    Apart from this you have to constalty chase for both new business and payments from customers. You can have all the intelligence, drive and balls in the world and still your business can fuck up and you are back on the scrap heap.

    The market just works like that sometimes.

    OK this can happen as an employee but larger business still provide a safety net.

    Many “self employed” people depend on larger businesses for their client base anyway. They all have their place in the economy.

    And if self-employment is so spiritually fulfilling, why do you spend so much of your time in anger and argument? It as if you are taking out stress in your life caused by your own actions on a bunch of people you’ve never even met just to make yourself feel “better”. you are perhaps no better than the “soul sucking corporates” you claim to despite.

    General Lighting;220957 wrote:
    I disagree- and stand by what I say.

    Just have the bollocks to admit that that argument won’t stand in 100% of cases, nowhere near 100%

    General Lighting;220957 wrote:
    Even if you have the skills, there is still the matter of the Governments regulations with regard to taxation, accounts requirements etc.

    Taxes and accounting are a piece of piss

    General Lighting;220957 wrote:
    Yes you can blame the Govt but this isn’t Zimbabwe or Afghanistan and these governments were voted in by the will of at least half of the people in this country.

    WTF ???

    General Lighting;220957 wrote:
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    And if self-employment is so spiritually fulfilling, why do you spend so much of your time in anger and argument? It as if you are taking out stress in your life caused by your own actions on a bunch of people you’ve never even met just to make yourself feel “better”. you are perhaps no better than the “soul sucking corporates” you claim to despite.

    This is your best bit and made me laugh hardest. The assumptions and baseless bullshit you threw in there are absolutely fucking ridiculous. :crazy_diz

    Just come out with it and call me a cunt, I won’t mind a bit and it would be better than reading your self important, overblown horse shit.

    BTW, have you ever been self-employed? It would be fucking hilarious if you have crowned yourself an ‘expert’ on self employment but have never even tried it.

    If self employment (or even smaller businesses run under less “soul sucking” lines) was so easy, why are not more people doing it?

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    BTW, have you ever been self-employed.

    Yes, even back in the 1980s as a youth/teenager, writing computer software, and also in the private security industry as an investigator and manufacturer of electronic surveillance equipment (and this was when I was only in my teens/early 20s).

    I don’t claim to be an expert on anything, nor self-important – merely stating the facts as I see them.

    I simply make my assumptions by the way you conduct yourself on this forum – for all your intelligence you seem to have a lot of bitterness – constantly looking for agruments and disagreements on a forum which whilst it has in depth discussion is not normally like that

    I expect you don’t behave like this in front of clients / potential clients (but you would like to), so hence you are taking out your anger on other people. I’ve also noticed this behaviour in a lot of so-called “IT consultants/freelancers” when working in larger companies.

    Its not our fucking fault you done way too much MDMA or whatever and burned out and can no longer be friendly to people – or are just like that anyway.

    I don’t care what skills you have or how well you are doing with self-employment – you behave on here in a dysfunctional manner and are not exactly a good advert for your trade (whatever it is).

    General Lighting;220966 wrote:
    If self employment (or even smaller businesses run under less “soul sucking” lines) was so easy, why are not more people doing it?

    Yes, even back in the 1980s as a youth/teenager, writing computer software, and also in the private security industry as an investigator and manufacturer of electronic surveillance equipment (and this was when I was only in my teens/early 20s).

    I don’t claim to be an expert on anything, nor self-important – merely stating the facts as I see them.

    I simply make my assumptions by the way you conduct yourself on this forum – for all your intelligence you seem to have a lot of bitterness – constantly looking for agruments and disagreements on a forum which whilst it has in depth discussion is not normally like that

    I expect you don’t behave like this in front of clients / potential clients (but you would like to), so hence you are taking out your anger on other people. I’ve also noticed this behaviour in a lot of so-called “IT consultants/freelancers” when working in larger companies.

    Its not our fucking fault you done way too much MDMA or whatever and burned out and can no longer be friendly to people – or are just like that anyway.

    I don’t care what skills you have or how well you are doing with self-employment – you behave on here in a dysfunctional manner and are not exactly a good advert for your trade (whatever it is).

    Now that is a cool, smart ass reply. Respect is due.

    GL, thank you for taking the time to reply to a post that should not have been taken seriously in the first place.

    Incidently, do you know me really, really well and are not cracking on about it? Your unerring accuracy is wierding me out somewhat.

    JamesBong;220974 wrote:
    Incidently, do you know me really, really well and are not cracking on about it?

    No, I don’t know you – but every post anyone makes on a public forum – even the throwaway lines or “jokes” gives away something about them and their personalities…

    I work so i can fill my body with chemicals that really shouldn’t be there in the first place. Line anyone? 😉

    DJCliffy;221035 wrote:
    I work so i can fill my body with chemicals that really shouldn’t be there in the first place. Line anyone? 😉

    Oh go on then 😉

    As for me, i’m unemployed at the moment but i hope that when i do have a job, it’s something that i actually enjoy doing and getting up for in the mornings.
    Then i can say live for work ^_^

    I think its safe to say for me that i work to live, at the end of the day i have rent to pay and a car to run, on top of that i having money being saved for travelling. Work keeps me going because I know the outcome is going to be my dream.

    When i get back it it will probably just be the same, i dont wana get sucked into a job i love too early cos i know ill never get out.
    I hate working for the man but i know he’s paying for my lifetime experience..

    Work to live, definitiely.

    I’ve done some awful jobs, some average jobs and some pretty great jobs. I’ve lived some serious full on party years, some study years and some loved up married years. One thing remains the same, it is the people I have chosen to share my life with and the manner in which I do that which means the most to me. The magical moments in my life are not work related, my dreams both achievable and fantastic are not work related. Sure I’d like to be rich, but that would be a lonely life surrounded by hangers on and wannabes. The people I love and trust, the ones I’ve invested my time and energy into forging a long lasting trusting relationship with, they are worth a million pounds in the bank, without them I’d be lost.

    Both, I have an ok job at the moment, but im doing some voluntary work and hopefully going to do a postgraduate course next year to qualify in something that I really want to do.

    I definately want to work to live, but then really enjoy my work aswell, its definately possible and allot of people manage to do it. It would be great to have a job your really into, and then loads of cool stuff to do when your not at work.

    I spent the last 18 months or so after i finished education purposfully doing a 9-5 fucker job that did’nt require to much brain power, just so i could get munted and go partyin all weekend. It was great fun but I dont want to waste myself. I think work can be a really positive thing if you get it right.

    I guess Im aiming for some kind of utopia eventually, what else should you be aiming for in life?

    Our boss is now doing our duties for JUNE!!!

    I mean how the fuck do we know what we may possibly be doing in June?? And we’ve not all had an opportunity to put requests in due to annual leave etc,
    I mean ffs!! and to make things even better – we’re only allowed 4 requests a MONTH!!!!! a fucking month!!!!

    AHHHHH!!!!!!!! :hopeless: :you_crazy

    I certainly work to live,

    I do also try and enjoy my work – and usually am a happy chappy – but this sort of thing makes it very difficult, there no other jobs going anywhere doing what I do at the mo either….. I’ve even looked nationally and at a lower pay scale

    @GiantMidget 221035 wrote:

    I work so i can fill my body with chemicals

    and dancing ladiez 😉

    Wow this is an old one TG 🙂 My newest question these days: why bother with it at all?

    @Dom_sufc 374777 wrote:

    why bother with it at all?

    What with life in general?

    @GiantMidget 374780 wrote:

    What with life in general?

    Yeah, I suppose. However not for some rubbish irrational reasons, I think I have some good ones. I’ll summarise instead of writing one of my mammoth posts only 2 people will read 😀

    I feel I have come to ask this question, as I have come to a few realisations:

    – Humans ultimately are selfish. The emotions and drives we feel are fabrications and tools we have developed of the ages of evolution to become better at what we are meant to do. Survive, Adapt and Procreate. This is an undeniable fact, which leaves me analysing every action myself, or anyone else takes.

    – The purpose of life itself. Regarding my last point. Our drives, goals and aspirations are all products of the tools we have evolved to have. However there is no actual purpose to anything we do. There are no benefits after we die, we don’t trade in good deeds for heaven points when we kick the bucket. While our actions may ripple through time, this seems pointless in an infinite existence that is only justified by our own being. Why worry or plan for tomorrow? This again, is an infinite thought that will follow our species through everyday, this drive will never end until we do. Absolutely zero purpose, except what we choose to give it. In which case, anything we think, is only part of our evolutionary “tool” we have, to enable us to carry on those 3 fundamental points of a living organism. Survive, Adapt and Procreate.

    The happiness, joy and other niceties are just things along the way to enforce our purpose. The fact we even want to give ourselves purpose is further proof of the result of our evolutionary result.

    As I accept this, I fail to see the point even more.

    I’m not going to jump of a bridge, don’t worry lol. While I accept this as my own perception of life, I realise there are others that may value mine more than I do, ie, my family.

    The ramblings of a mad man, you might be thinking. It’s all very rational, and there is no doubt about what I have said.

    My favourite phrase at the moment, which echoes my views perfectly, and one that should be the slogan of human nature and infact, all nature: “The grass is greener on the other side”.

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