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People getting stabbed, mugged, robbed, raped all over the place in the past year:cry:….im starting to think i would rather stay at home now:you_crazy…..quick someone slap me!
Im sure people have heard about it…its been all over the news too
only round your ways bruv! but then your ways have allways been fucked,
poor norfolk, when will they learn
but dont give up! just start doing things better!
Sorry mate but its not just my county its all of them at this end of the country, Bedford, Lincolnshire, Essex, Suffolk, Camebridge, Oxford, milton keynes, my own back garden, my mates private land, legal events. It doesn’t matter where I go there’s always pricks around, it wasn’t like this a year ago…
Fair enough i havent ventured down into the depths of Devon and the like but that’s a 3 hour drive for me!
We have done our own things better but still unwanted people turn up and ruin the fun.
Im now putting together our new rig and im wondering if its really worth it if these people are going to keep showing themselves, i love the culture and the rush from the party scene but im seeing less and less of it. Spending £10k+ on a sound system for people to enjoy, only for dick heads to come and ruin the fun is not what i had in mind.
PS> im getting bored of this Norfolk bashing tbh, plenty of shit goes on in other counties that people seem to forget, or dont remember.:yawn:
To be fair this is all recent for East Anglia. In 2007 these events were often friendlier than the ones I’d been to in other areas of the UK.
At one of them I felt like I was 19 again, it was my birthday weekend and some young girl asked me how old I was, I was so tempted to say “24” (TBH I could easily have changed my DOB when I moved here and only biotech from this way knows my real age).
Even the zero tolerance only started from 2005 onwards because certain venues were repeatedly rinsed. Yet all this trouble happened in places like Reading and surrounding areas of SE England in the late 1990s and by 2000 London parties were regularly blighted by violence but has been forgotten about because people had a habit of not discussing “bad news”.
TBH what I think is a problem is certain folk (not smart people like Tom and `Matt) end up befriending others who can be a bit of twat in large groups but happen to own a car and thus provide the lifts, and people not having the balls to drop muppet like that out of the loop – defriend them from farcebook, delete their phoone numbers etc.
@Tocooltom 457686 wrote:
Im now putting together our new rig and im wondering if its really worth it if these people are going to keep showing themselves, i love the culture and the rush from the party scene but im seeing less and less of it. Spending £10k+ on a sound system for people to enjoy, only for dick heads to come and ruin the fun is not what i had in mind.
This is why I didn’t buy Binge’s system a few years ago (apart from the fact I don’t have a car or full driving license, nor the license group for a bigger vehicle).
Bear in mind though you are old enough to get a TENS, and that chaps like “Pawel” and “Ramesh” are around who spend thier weeks risking a knife in the guts to protect a load of groceries and already have SIA cards, and they don’t actualy cost that much to hire for weekend overtime (even the townie bouncers don’t get paid that much!)
Unfortunately there is a stage where you have to swallow your pride, and not just remove people with “reasomable force” but also hand them over to the cops (you do not have the right to dole out your own punishments any more than a local has to bust into your lockup and spike your speaker cones as a reprisal for making a din), and the bulk of SIA guards are trained how to do this without trying to act the hero and escalate matters.
yeah this is what i dont understand, if there are dicks repeatly turning up at your parties why not take constructive measures to rid your scene of them? there a few mesures i would implement immediately that i think are pretty common sense
hire security TRUSTED people who are “handy” – Shirley you must know a few, and give em the full briefing of what they can & cant do and what to make their priorities ie dicks!
remove all online presance of your rig/events
chnage your party line
at 1st give your party line to a selct few
ensure that your new partyline states that unresonable behaviour will not be tolerated
at your 1st party ensure there are notices put up stating the above
pick your locations wisely
the norfolk bashing will stop when horrendus news reports stop flooding in! har!
you should be up for a 3 hour drive! i know a few people from norfolk & surrounding areas who come to brizzle! ive done many a 5 hour drive to get to party! its an adventure!har! just ensure a good rest has been had before the drive home
I cant afford to spend £100 of fuel in my car so 5 people can get to Bristol for 12 hours of music…that makes little sense to me and isn’t cost effective, plus 5 people in car to Bristol AND BACK is no fun at all, my car handles like shit with 5 ravers in it! If you could hook me up with your lot i might take a car or 2 full of people down your ways for the whole weekend and make something of it, screw driving there for 12 hours of music though! Ive got links in Bristol now so i will be out your way a lot more…but they arent free party links so maybe you can help me mingehead?
Anyway I shouldn’t have to drive to Bristol to find a party where there is safe people, there are plenty of safe people at parties up here, its the one or two pricks who ruin it every time, and lately these peoples names and faces have been missed. Before, we found out who did the deeds and they were named and shamed quite rightly, but recently other people have got away with stuff and not been seen or heard doing it. In my eyes that is the problem, if we knew who these people are doing this stuff then we could do something about it but we don’t know!
What im saying is that it happens to every sound system its not just one particular group that is being affected, these people are on the party scene, god knows how.
Yes those pointers you have said are good and we will most likely be putting some of them into practice at our future events but not everyone is going to follow that blueprint. If every system followed those pointers you put up on there then maybe it would make a difference but that’s not going to happen is it, you forget I’m not just talking about our lot or local systems (most of which have had parties without incident), I’m talking about some big names around at the minute who have all had major stuff going on at their parties that has made national news, are they going to stop advertising on Facebook? are they going to hire security? are they going to pick reasonable locations? are they going to cut down the number of people at their parties? NO is the answer to all those questions….
They will never think of doing stuff like that, the parties are to big to police and majority of the time too open to keep a check on everyone, maybe at events like skumtek where there is only one way in and out you can do that kind of thing but not out in open fields or barns?!?!
How are you going to get big systems to cut their following and to stop doing what they are doing, because essentially they are the reason we have these kind of people on the scene now. Too much advertising on Facebook for legal events, too many people involved, too many people know about it, your not going to be able to just cut them out of the loop, its not going to work because you cant check every persons name at a party and put it against your database of known pricks…its just not feasible.
Any change needs to happen on a BIG scale otherwise its pointless and localized, if i travel to a party i want to know I’m going to be a good environment, if i walk to a party i want to know im going to be in a good environment, regardless of what system is out or where they are….
PS. if i had the full low down on the stuff thats been going on at other parties i would have put reports up of the stuff thats happened but if ive only heard little bits i dont feel i am in a place to say. The previous reports i have given are from first hand experience, which is the best experience when talking about serious subjects. But maybe i will just point a few of them out:
from outside narrfuk…
Cars broken into and robbed
2 stabbings, one very recent
1 gang rape, bank holiday party
countless muggings and large fights, too many to name
riots, one very recent
…im not trying to say it doesn’t happen here…just proving my point that its not just here.
Anyone want to add to that? People must know about other stuff they just haven’t mentioned it!
pmd re links
i dunno about some of those points mate, they sound a lil defetist,the steps that i mentioned above have and do get implemented by rigs here, thats one of the reasons we will not link up with anyone who advertises on facebook, even if there punters mention it online! we have trusted peolpe who are “doorstaff” at indoor and outdoor events, and actually the bigger the rigs the more i see the above being implemented
if we had issues like your having and dropping our crowd was the only option then so be it, and we dont advertise anything on facebook as said above, i dont know what “big names” your refering to unfortunately, however its sad to hear that bigger orginisitions round your ways arnt taking responsibility for their punters,
it must be said i think there are lil coutral changes that need to be implemented round your ways witch have a knock on effect – rig monkeys – get em off the speakers aside from anything its fucking dangerous & moshing
both these things i think have a detriment to the rig and the atmosphere, ive been banging on about these for ages! har!
from outside narrfuk…
Cars broken into and robbed
2 stabbings, one very recent
1 gang rape, bank holiday party
countless muggings and large fights, too many to name
riots, one very recent
…im not trying to say it doesn’t happen here…just proving my point that its not just here.
Anyone want to add to that? People must know about other stuff they just haven’t mentioned it!
where did the above happen geographicly?
@Minghead 457709 wrote:
from outside narrfuk…
Cars broken into and robbed lincolnshire, bedford
2 stabbings, one very recent bedford the other im not sure but it was the same system doing/linking for both parties
1 gang rape, bank holiday party Not sure exactly where this party was but there was a number of rigs involved and it was far from me i know that, in the westerly direction
countless muggings and large fights, too many to name bedford, northants, oxfordshire, berkshire….
riots, one very recent (K**L****N) weekend just gone from what ive heard down the grapevine, not sure where it was but we all know where they are from….…im not trying to say it doesn’t happen here…just proving my point that its not just here.
Anyone want to add to that? People must know about other stuff they just haven’t mentioned it!
where did the above happen geographicly?
I notice that bedford springs up too much…..
@Tocooltom 457702 wrote:
I cant afford to spend £100 of fuel in my car so 5 people can get to Bristol for 12 hours of music…that makes little sense to me and isn’t cost effective, plus 5 people in car to Bristol AND BACK is no fun at all, my car handles like shit with 5 ravers in it! If you could hook me up with your lot i might take a car or 2 full of people down your ways for the whole weekend and make something of it, screw driving there for 12 hours of music though! Ive got links in Bristol now so i will be out your way a lot more…but they arent free party links so maybe you can help me mingehead?
Anyway I shouldn’t have to drive to Bristol to find a party where there is safe people, there are plenty of safe people at parties up here, its the one or two pricks who ruin it every time, and lately these peoples names and faces have been missed. Before, we found out who did the deeds and they were named and shamed quite rightly, but recently other people have got away with stuff and not been seen or heard doing it. In my eyes that is the problem, if we knew who these people are doing this stuff then we could do something about it but we don’t know!
To be fair Tom has a good point. The cost of petrol is significant to a young driver, TBH its a big reason despite me being a bit older and having a fairly well paid job I still don’t own a car – and even if I did I’d find it hard to justify the expense or envrironmental impact for what is a non essential activity. Also there is something called peak oil which in the coming years is going to keep people in their local areas and make them drive less far more than even 100 traffic cops and roadblocks ever could.
One problem is that places like Bedfordshire are classed as “East” rather than SE England, so trouble what occurs there does give people 200 miles away a bad name simply because of the way the blue light services count incidents. Another is that EA is not like Bristol, its big but there are very few disused areas and even remote places are watched over by locals.
If I were that age with a rig I’d find someone whose family owned a farm, get a TENS and find some sort of security/stewarding. Not young meatheads/wannabe hardmen what cause more trouble than they prevent, but slightly older people – perhaps from one of the overseas communities as often they have military training but at the same time do not want to see any more war (this is why they came to Blighty in the first place). I’d also try and make the event as genuinely eco-friendly and multicultural as possible. There are a lot of “hippy” types particularly towards Norwich who would be much more likely to support such a thing than many realise, especially as they are having difficulty encouraging younger people to get involved with their other activities. I know Unity Tribe tried it and made a few mistakes along the way but TBH I think they went for too large a event and lunched out the “boring” logistics aspects bascially allowing feds/security to take over. However Planet Yes in 2006 did a event as good as any free party and there weren’t loads of security and not a bobby to be seen.
Forget about what the baitheads are doing, the Police will deal with them. There a limit to how many consficated rigs they can replace before they are sent to prison for committing crime to raise the money. there is no need to be overly para about them any more than I need be paranoid about being British Asian simply because a few nutters blew themselves up a few years ago.
Tom – if you want any help or advice with TENS apps there is plenty here, or send me a PM if you want more specific info. I would suggest starting with smaller events and finding someone who is intelligent, articulate and with no criminal record (often a young woman is best) to negotiate with the cops etc about such things as security arrangements.
Loads of new rigs and the next generation of partiers have been out the last year or so, as the older ones go out less often. I think a lot of the ones just coming out of school who get in to the free party scene are coming from fashions if your gonna break the law with drugs/partying etc. it often ties in with more chavy and urban cultures where there’s more attitude, or there’s always a few people like this who are part of the group. Underground cultures always cross over and the whole wannabe ‘ghetto yout ya get me ting’ inevitably comes where it’s not wanted and this is just as popular with the middle class kids who have the money to go round the country partying.
Most who are new to free parties also may not be that aware of the philosophies and just see it as something rebellious and cool to do, and probably getting their first bit of freedom, and when the older generations go out less it takes a while for em to learn.
However I don’t think it’s actually that bad. There’s been a few really decent parties this year and some of the new ones are definitely improving and doing some good stuff. AFAIK most of the bad events mentioned above are tied in with particular crowds and part of the scene that attracts the luton/bedfordshire areas. Loads of sound people from there but definitely some wrong’uns and that’s nothing new. One ironically named rig for whatever reason often attracts trouble and was at a few of these ones, but I remember problems with fighting and muggings at their parties years ago..
most rigs don’t “advertise” illegal parties online, but word soon gets out and the pictures flood in afterwards, most rigs however do advertise legal events online which attracts people who don’t go to raves and that is how they find their way into the scene.
Rig monkeys only really came about in the past couple of years and since their advent have been frowned upon and most rigs wont stand for it, apart from certain rigs who don’t care and basically let people put themselves in serious danger, one of my friends passed out standing up on a rig (without noz before you ask) and fell to the floor and landed on her face. its not cool and she wont do it again but certain people don’t have a problem with it which is bad.
I still fail to see how stopping people from moshing will protect them from being beaten, stabbed, raped, mugged (yes fair enough your leaving yourself open to pickpockets in the mosh but taking stuff in your pockets into the mosh is bad idea anyway because you will loose it anyway!) or anything else for that matter.
I’m not being a defeatist…I’m being realistic with the situation we have. You try telling all systems within 80 miles of Bedford (i estimate it to be around 40+) that you must now have security at your parties, you must delete your Facebook accounts, you must change your party line regularly and send it to as few people as possible and to tell them to only send it to close mates…OTHERWISE parties will turn to shit and we will be left with nothing of what the free party scene used to be. I don’t see it happening on the large scale, yes it can and will happen eventually on a smaller scale but the damage is done i think, these people will still turn up and the shit will still happen.
After Xmas when our new rig is up n running and i quit my job to work for an audio hire company, i will have much more time to organize events with licenses and club nights…. but the only way to attract the numbers to cover the costs will mean im going to have to advertise in public places…
I wish the scene round here was something like what Electrikal Sound system from Scotland do, they are out every weekend without fail, sometimes twice, and if its not an event they have organized and advertised online, then its a hire-out but with many of the same people in attendance regardless of what event is going on.These lot have got it sussed and hats off to them, they are the perfect role model for a sound system in my eyes.
@GL im already half way there, im clever, i own a rig, i know a number of land owners one of which is already doing TENs license parties, i have a number of lady friends:weee:, i have clued up people in our sound system, we will have money to put into events after the rig is paid for, some help and advice putting events on would go down a treat. If we could actually make this a community organised and created event then we can bring back some of that vibe we talk about so much, but i cant do that without people like this forums members who are active in what they do and say, and are experienced in the field…:wink:
I can do this but:
What would you think if I sang out of tune
Would you stand up and walk out on me
Lend me your ears and I’ll sing you a song
And I’ll try not to sing out of key
Oh, I get by with a little help from my friends
Mm, I get high with a little help from my friends
Mm, gonna try with a little help from my friends…….
fair play, its nice to hear someone wanting change for the better,
good luck to you me ol china,
After xmas i will be looking for any help available to get events off the ground and running without the unwanted attitudes :crazy:
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