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yeah i dont blame them their just seeking a better life which is what most people would do(i’d do exactly the same in their position)it’s our government i was having a pop at.
The rich will only get richer and they dont care about anyone but themselves.I would rather struggle than be like them. raaa
this does happen, often because people do not understand enough English to realise that there are strict rules about minimum wage, maximum working hours, health and safety and the managers of these companies take advantage of them.
Also due to sheer desperation they are more willing to do longer hours and not want as much holiday than English workers.
the only way this can be combatted is for both the English and European workers to talk to each other about these things; and form their own social networks to give them enough power to challenge excessive demands from the bosses; or even maybe set up their own company!
Just muttering and hating each other makes it way more easy for those with more power to dominate everybody. You don’t even need to be particularly right-on – even by talking to each other at tea breaks etc the European people can learn more English – and maybe the English builders can learn some tips and tricks off the Europeans
BTW the problems with Muslim extremists existed years ago – in the Thatcher/Major days and were left to worsen because these angry young men were often the sons of rich businessmen in their home countries (who were buying lots of computers and weaponry to fight their own local civil wars).
In the early 90s these lads would run drug dealing rings and high value car theft networks (as well as other frauds) under the guise of religion.
The authorities could have done something about this 16 years ago but were often prevented from doing so because it would jepoardise lucrative business relationships.
…Oxford multicultural was so fucking cool…rather different in wales, or rather Cymru, where one realises that immigration to this nation, Cymru, by the bwitish, NEEDS TO BE STOPPED OR THE LOCAL DISTINCT ETHNIC PEOPLE WILL BE SWAMPED BY PERVERTED BRITISH VERMIN JUST LIKE THE INITIAL POSTER.
CYMRU TRIBAL SOVEREIGNTY!
I feel it’s kinda difficult to complain about people coming here when the UK are helping out in making other places difficult for people to live in – Iraq the obvious example, but there are other less obvious ones like Zimbabwe, and a few other African nations where sanctions are in place due to disagreeable dictator types being in charge. Trouble is the dictator never feels the pinch from most sanctions – that tends to be the lot of the oppressed or downtrodden, cos a dictator couldn’t give a toss if they’re starving to death. He’s got the control, so can keep himself fat and fed…:you_crazy:you_crazy
As for economic migration, I take the view that if I get offended by their coming to the UK, and cheerfully working for less than we think is fair because in the country they come from our minimum wage goes a long way, then the thing to do would be to save a load of cash, and move out to where they come from. Many Polish, and Czech workers only come here for a few years, and save their cash, as it is worth a packet when they get home. Why not follow their example:weee::weee::weee:.
It doesn’t offend me though, and a good stirring of the ethnic “melt-pot” is only good IMO. Cannae bring myself to worry about what I might lose (be it jobs or whatever) – never gone in for the whole idea that the only way to succeed/enjoy life is to do it at the expense of others, so don’t really understand the “taking our jobs” argument.
Worrying that someone might get something at your expense seems rather pointless to me – they might not too…
And the UK has always been a fluid population (some would say mongrel):wink:…Seems to work, so why change it…
I’ve got a weird perspective on this as I moved to the UK 2 1/2 years ago.
In that time most people have been friendly to me, but I’ve had a few random run-ins with psychoness.
For instance last year I was walking home from work when a well presented, professionally dressed woman in her early 40s stopped me and asked me directions to a nearby hospital. As I worked on the hospital site I gave her clear and friendly directions. Instead of the usual polite “Thank you” she launched into me asking me if I was an asylum seeker – which stunned me –
“No, I’m from California. I don’t think Americans can be asylum seekers.”
(BTW I’m also as white as The Snowman!!!)
She got very angry insisting she wasn’t stupid and asked me why “foreign people” were always moving into her country.
I apologised and said I wasn’t aware that it was her country, and I suggested she contact her government and find out why they’d let me in without telling her.
She said a few random obscenities under her breath and stormed off.
A few months later I was at a club called The Zodiac, in Oxford, and there was a drum ‘n bass night in the memory of a girl who had recently died, some of the ticket price was going to charity. Anyway I was dancing along have a great night, met some killer fun people, and offered to get them all a round of drinks at the bar. When I went to the bar the queue was horrid as usual, and this guy started talking to me. We were just chatting about music and having just sort of the usual natter, and then the guy asks me about my accent and where I’m from.
I tell him I’m from California and BAM! The next thing I know I’m on the ground. The bastard headbutted me really hard and I totally wasn’t expecting it, so I lost my balance. Anyway I’m down on the ground and before I know it this dude is kicking me and screaming about how I’m ruining his country and how I’m ruining the world and how he is going to personally kill every American in the world.
The bouncers rushed up, picked me up, and then kicked ME out of the club. Which was totally crap.
Now in two and a half years those are the only two things I can think that have been bad to happen to me. 99% of the people I interact with are just fantastic and great people. But there is some weird streak of xenophobia that lurks to varying degrees.
And as to why I moved to England? It’s because I totally and unashamedly love it. I adore Britain. I adore the British people and British culture. You’ve got the best senses of humour, the best cider, the best curry, the best music, the best attitudes of anyone in the world.
I’m gonzo on it. The first party I went to in England, shit, I was glowing off my ass and going around “ARE YOU BRITISH!! YEAH?!?!?! I LOVE YOU!” and hugging the living shit out of everyone. I was being a total outgoing arse, but hey, I’m a happy loon.
i’m half english half german. all my grandparents hated me
well i think that if we was in there situation we wouldnt have anything think bout it they come over here and they take are jobs are houses are money. but if that was us in there country we wouldnt have fuck all they wouldnt let us work nhor have a house let alone a shop takes the piss reall well thats my veiw but everybody to there own opoion. luv lolly xx:yawn:
this isn’t true for most EU countries – there is a right of free passage and access to services; essentially you can go to 25 countries and live/work/set up companies provided you don’t break the law…
in most non-EU countries immigration rules are the same as ours. If you have money or skills you will get in. yes there is discrimination at “street level” but its the same as in any country..
plenty of English people go abroad to work…. or just to party – if you clamped down on the EU free movement the european outdoor free party scene would disappear… there are people from your city (Bristol) who go to Europe every year to do raves..
people don’t get something for nothing. If new immigrants are succeeding in getting money/jobs/houses they are doing so because they are prepared to work harder/for longer hours than the natives (and this is the case worldwide…)
Its the flipside of globalisation and free markets; the same markets that allow us to travel to other countries and party or to get cheap consumer goods.
you think that based on what? not reality, that’s for sure
check roumania, for example… loads of english and germans buying up property over there and pricing the locals out of the market, buying up hotels too, so tourist money spent in the country doesn’t seep back into the local economy. it is precisely because of the abuse of ‘free’ trade & power that some countries are rich and most are poor
use your head
:yakk::yakk:As an Englishman i should like to wholeheartedly apologise for those twats behaviour.:bounce_fl
As for Imigrants like others have said people should have a choice to live or work where ever they like,I wouldnt have a problem with that
Well I love the English. You are the best. One drunken, racist and a few asshole bouncers can’t make a dent in my love for England.
Makes for a pretty good “Worst night out” story, so I can thank them for that.
Thanks for the kind words!
Yeah, I mean life is so frickin’ short. Why should we all be so obssessed with all this? I am a peaceful person, I think I should have the right to roam this planet like any other animal.
People don’t stop birds migrating. No passport checks for kestrels and blue jays last I looked.
im not bothered, by the whole immagration thing anymore, i have decided that the whole thing has been blown out of proportion, by certain newspapers and stuff. But the only way in which it has affected me is that, there are less jobs going for me when i get back home for christmas. But i aint too bothered i will just go back to gardening and stuff, which is far more enjoyable.
Britain was made “great” by our colonialism…Bristol for example would look pretty shit if you took all the landmarks that were paid for with slavery…in fact it would be just houses and offices without them…clifton suspension bridge, corn market street, the covered market, colston halls…i could go on.
not to mention all teh innovations we gathered while building our empire, in finance, science, mathematics, art etc…
and the number of lucrative business deals which British companies secured thanks to our empires connections which i turn bring billions of pounds back into our economy….
considering we leached disgracefully off other countries during our rise to power, i think its only fair that once our economy grew to prominence, the people’s whose countries we savaged have come here to get their piece of the pie. its a rebalancing.
britain is just complacent. we have enjoyed an economy that is huge compared to the size of the land for a long time, and people forget they arent entitled to it by rights.
a lot of the immigrant workers i meet are far more hardworking, dillengent and grateful for their jobs, because they have seen what the bottom looks like. and no matter how bad a northern housing estate gets, it doesnt compare to the state of parts of teh russian empire, or africa, or asia.
i think if the compainants who started the thread saw what damage we had really inflicted on these areas they wouldnt be so begrudging of letting them have a decent job in a country that isnt bombed to shit (yet).
There’s two ways, I figure, to look at it – one way is to say, well, if a nation colonises another, there’s gonna be consequences, immigration is one of them, in the long term. The other way of seeing it is that if immigrants are determined to leave their home countries and settle in a new land they must be prepared to engage with and respect the traditions and norms of that host country. At times this may mean that they have to regard their own priorities as secondarily important in relation to those of their newly adopted home.
Personally, I think xenophobia is ignorance, but racists and nationalists like the BNP would call people who think like me a cunt. Me, I believe in patriotism, but not at the expense of democracy. Variety is, after all, the spice of life. And in terms of the UK, looking back in time you begin to realise everyone is in fact an immigrant, apart from very few.
And that’s my five pence and now I’m off to drink beer.
that is one other way of viewing it, but I can’t see any thing compelling people to adopt a culture just because they are living in a new country, apart from you saying ‘they must‘.
In fact, fuck that. I frequently don’t respect traditions and norms of this country, so why should someone who has moved here from another country?. people should be free to live where they want to and be who they want to.
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